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slight chance FTL communication could be possible.

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Epyk MD

Epyk MD

http://arstechnica.com/science/2012/10/quantum-entanglement-shows-that-reality-cant-be-local/

Duck

Duck

doesnt seem that hard to incorporate communication in there. If you can change something about the particle that you can measure then all you need is a standard for what the change means. It's either x condition or it's not, boom, you've got a binary signal.

The Adli Corporation

The Adli Corporation

easier said than done, duck.

Duck

Duck

I know that obviously it's not easy, but that article is making it out to impossible. Seems strange to rule it out as probably impossible when they've already demonstrated that they can change the particle at ftl speeds.

menacinglemon

menacinglemon

Probably almost next to impossible right now (give it a decade)

Grey

Grey

FTL travel can be done. What you do is not increase your speed, but bend time. Like a carpet in a store that's all crumpled up. One of those "hills" is your mode of transportation.

Duck

Duck

Then when you get to your destination everyone is dead because on the outside is took like 100 years for you to get there while you only experienced a fraction of that time.

Or you could take the Halo route and fold space in half and then pierce through it somehow.

Grey

Grey

Duck wrote:Then when you get to your destination everyone is dead because on the outside is took like 100 years for you to get there while you only experienced a fraction of that time.

Or you could take the Halo route and fold space in half and then pierce through it somehow.

Actually. In theory. Space and time run together like me and you through a patch of flowers. So when you screw with space, you do the same to time.

Duck

Duck

Grey wrote:
Duck wrote:Then when you get to your destination everyone is dead because on the outside is took like 100 years for you to get there while you only experienced a fraction of that time.

Or you could take the Halo route and fold space in half and then pierce through it somehow.

Actually. In theory. Space and time run together like me and you through a patch of flowers. So when you screw with space, you do the same to time.

But the guys on the outside who aren't screwing with time/space wouldn't be affected by the time change would they? Idk I'm getting all my information from Ender's Game.

Grey

Grey

I get my info from...

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But since you are the center of bending space. The people outside would only age as fast as how much you bent space. And the relative Normal Space/time comparison to Bent Space/time comparison. Quantum Physics chap.

slight chance FTL communication could be possible. 2zf7r85

Ante

Ante

The part I'm worried about when it comes to FTL travel is hitting the tiniest piece of space debris with your ship and getting obliterated.

menacinglemon

menacinglemon

That would be a whole new kind of fail video ante

Metalzoic

Metalzoic

Is this a new article? Because this is pretty old theory.

Weird, it's been know to be theoretically possible through quantum entanglement for years. I remember reading a paper on it before I closed my last gamestore and that was in 2004... so 8 or 9 years ago now.

The Adli Corporation

The Adli Corporation

Ante wrote:The part I'm worried about when it comes to FTL travel is hitting the tiniest piece of space debris with your ship and getting obliterated.

if you are bending space, the ship doesn't actually travel FTL itself (more like takes a whole ton of 'shortcuts' through the time-space continuum) so hitting space debris wouldn't obliterate the ship.

think of it like folded up paper, because it is folded a lot, the surface area is reduced greatly compared to a flat sheet, thus anything travelling over it will get from A to B much much faster without having to change speed.

Ante

Ante

The Adli Corporation wrote:
Ante wrote:The part I'm worried about when it comes to FTL travel is hitting the tiniest piece of space debris with your ship and getting obliterated.

if you are bending space, the ship doesn't actually travel FTL itself (more like takes a whole ton of 'shortcuts' through the time-space continuum) so hitting space debris wouldn't obliterate the ship.

think of it like folded up paper, because it is folded a lot, the surface area is reduced greatly compared to a flat sheet, thus anything travelling over it will get from A to B much much faster without having to change speed.


Ah yeah you're right. I shouldn't post immediately after rolling out of bed.

JrTapia1991

JrTapia1991

slight chance FTL communication could be possible. 1342673614

Pariah

Pariah

This is pretty old stuff. The it's akin to the Ansible in Ender's Game. Which is interesting, but not world changing.

However, seeing as we as a race have managed to make a computer that can prove "2+3=5" by only using a couple molecules, I think we can do it.

Duck

Duck

Pariah wrote:This is pretty old stuff. The it's akin to the Ansible in Ender's Game. Which is interesting, but not world changing.

However, seeing as we as a race have managed to make a computer that can prove "2+3=5" by only using a couple molecules, I think we can do it.

fiber optics are big shit because they are light speed data transmission. How about instantaneous data transmission! From a server on mars! They'll never be able to shut down the pirate bay.

Pariah

Pariah

That would be awesome. However, if it was particle-paired communication, all that you'd have to do to destroy it is either figure out how to disable the connection or to destroy one of the particles.

Zillah

Zillah

Whats more likely to happen in the near future is the development of quantum computers. I read an interesting nytimes articl on it a couple weeks ago

"Classical computers use “bits” of information that can be either 0 or 1. But quantum-information technologies let scientists consider “qubits,” quantum bits of information that are both 0 and 1 at the same time. Logic circuits, made of qubits directly harnessing the weirdness of superpositions, allow a quantum computer to calculate vastly faster than anything existing today. A quantum machine using no more than 300 qubits would be a million, trillion, trillion, trillion times faster than the most modern supercomputer."

interesting

Chewy

Chewy

Zillah wrote:Whats more likely to happen in the near future is the development of quantum computers. I read an interesting nytimes articl on it a couple weeks ago

"Classical computers use “bits” of information that can be either 0 or 1. But quantum-information technologies let scientists consider “qubits,” quantum bits of information that are both 0 and 1 at the same time. Logic circuits, made of qubits directly harnessing the weirdness of superpositions, allow a quantum computer to calculate vastly faster than anything existing today. A quantum machine using no more than 300 qubits would be a million, trillion, trillion, trillion times faster than the most modern supercomputer."

interesting

Meh.

My CPU is a neural net processor, a learning computer.

Pariah

Pariah

Zillah wrote:Whats more likely to happen in the near future is the development of quantum computers. I read an interesting nytimes articl on it a couple weeks ago

"Classical computers use “bits” of information that can be either 0 or 1. But quantum-information technologies let scientists consider “qubits,” quantum bits of information that are both 0 and 1 at the same time. Logic circuits, made of qubits directly harnessing the weirdness of superpositions, allow a quantum computer to calculate vastly faster than anything existing today. A quantum machine using no more than 300 qubits would be a million, trillion, trillion, trillion times faster than the most modern supercomputer."

interesting

old news as well, and very problematic on its own.

the problem of the qubit is that it's very unstable, and unlike a bit will shift it's position independantly and spontaneously. this means that while it can exist for a while as 1/0, it quickly transforms to either 1 or 0.

And also, they're almost impossible to code for. ALL of computer linguistics is based on the idea of true/false (1/0). As soon as you add in true-false as a third condition, everything that we currently use goes out the window.

Guest


Guest

Im too stoned for this shit

Ill read this thread tomorrow Very Happy

JrTapia1991

JrTapia1991

Chewy

Chewy

Pariah wrote:
Zillah wrote:Whats more likely to happen in the near future is the development of quantum computers. I read an interesting nytimes articl on it a couple weeks ago

"Classical computers use “bits” of information that can be either 0 or 1. But quantum-information technologies let scientists consider “qubits,” quantum bits of information that are both 0 and 1 at the same time. Logic circuits, made of qubits directly harnessing the weirdness of superpositions, allow a quantum computer to calculate vastly faster than anything existing today. A quantum machine using no more than 300 qubits would be a million, trillion, trillion, trillion times faster than the most modern supercomputer."

interesting

old news as well, and very problematic on its own.

the problem of the qubit is that it's very unstable, and unlike a bit will shift it's position independantly and spontaneously. this means that while it can exist for a while as 1/0, it quickly transforms to either 1 or 0.

And also, they're almost impossible to code for. ALL of computer linguistics is based on the idea of true/false (1/0). As soon as you add in true-false as a third condition, everything that we currently use goes out the window.

I believe it would be machine level shit, most programmers wouldn't have to worry about it once it's established.

I'm still a little confused by it but it seems like it's a way to turn base 2 into base 3 from my current understanding, which is probably wrong. Not sure how that would work with data storage such as CD's and the likes, and HDD's.


Pariah

Pariah

Chewy wrote:

I believe it would be machine level shit, most programmers wouldn't have to worry about it once it's established.

I'm still a little confused by it but it seems like it's a way to turn base 2 into base 3 from my current understanding, which is probably wrong. Not sure how that would work with data storage such as CD's and the likes, and HDD's.


from my understanding of it, it would be a complete shift. Machine code would have to be rewritten, and probably even operative code too. I honestly don't know how a qubit can even be suspended, since it's not supposed to last long enough to be usable for anything. Don't get me wrong, I would love for a quantum computer to exist and be available, but it seems unlikely at the moment.

Duck

Duck

How exactly does using trinary make everything a trillion times faster?

Chewy

Chewy

Duck wrote:How exactly does using trinary make everything a trillion times faster?

Shorter amount of data it seems, that many times seems like a stretch though.

With trinary a byte of code would have 6561 different possibilities, only 256 with binary.

Duck

Duck

We don't exactly measure binary as something and not something though. If you wanted to you could declare 0 volts as 0, 2.5volts as 0/1 and 5 volts as 1. I guess that would be more of analog though.

Chewy

Chewy

Duck wrote:We don't exactly measure binary as something and not something though. If you wanted to you could declare 0 volts as 0, 2.5volts as 0/1 and 5 volts as 1. I guess that would be more of analog though.

I'm not sure that would be possible. I don't think at that level a cpu would be smart enough to do anything other than distinguish between high and low.

I think quantum computing is much more complex than that, still don't quite understand how it works. When it comes to voltages it would seem like it would need to be high and low voltage at the same time.

Duck

Duck

Not every device works on 0volts and then some positive number of volts. what's defined as one and zero changes between devices. On some devices 0 is represented by negative voltage, no voltage, or a voltage lower than high voltage.

Pariah

Pariah

looking around, quantum computers already exist. though they're nowhere near practicality.

a 32-qubit quantum processor can be compared to a traditional processor. the standard equivalent of the 32 qubit processor is about 10 teraflops.

Chewy

Chewy

Duck wrote:Not every device works on 0volts and then some positive number of volts. what's defined as one and zero changes between devices. On some devices 0 is represented by negative voltage, no voltage, or a voltage lower than high voltage.

Never said they did... A processor is able to accurately differentiate between a higher voltage and a lower voltage. Throwing in a medium voltage wouldn't work.

Pariah wrote:looking around, quantum computers already exist. though they're nowhere near practicality.

a 32-qubit quantum processor can be compared to a traditional processor. the standard equivalent of the 32 qubit processor is about 10 teraflops.

Yeah they've been around some time now.





Pariah

Pariah

I'd love to learn how they actually function. Frankly, I need to learn actual computer theory first.

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