Something tells me some Americans don't exactly understand my country.

Kenshiro

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Something tells me some Americans don't exactly understand my country. 0o1om

Found on reddit, to my delight.

Wacco

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That is pretty funny. Might as well stay here and get better healthcare, I've heard Canadian healthcare is pretty bad

Zillah

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Fuck it, im moving to a country where healthcare is way more publicized than in the US

Guest

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Honestly, all of this uproar about obamacare is just fun to watch.

Frostbyrn

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Its okay Americans dont even understand their own country let alone anyone elses

Pariah

Pariah

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Lols to teh walls.

I find all the freakout about Obamacare ridiculous. Mostly because people don't understand the act itself, they just hate Obama.

Duan

Duan

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damn Obama

*grumblegrumbleGRUMBLEgrumble*

HydrasBreath ♜

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so what is all this obamacare jazz about anyways? What exactly is the proposed bill?

and yeah that pic is quite hilarious. We're practically commies compared to the US health system. Razz

@zilla The only real bad thing about our healthcare is sometimes the waiting is a bit excessive but all in all I'd say the level of care is at least in the same ballpark as the US if not pretty much on par with it.

Pariah

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HydrasBreath wrote:so what is all this obamacare jazz about anyways? What exactly is the proposed bill?

and yeah that pic is quite hilarious. We're practically commies compared to the US health system.

@zilla The only real bad thing about our healthcare is sometimes the waiting is a bit excessive but all in all I'd say the level of care is at least in the same ballpark as the US if not pretty much on par with it.

Legally, it's called the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, which gives a good hint to the name. It's basically a step towards offering health care to low-income groups in America. To be honest, I gave up on following politics midway through the second Bush administration, so I'm not too knowledgeable, but this seems a god summary.

"PPACA requires individuals not covered by employer- or government-sponsored insurance plans to maintain minimal essential health insurance coverage or pay a penalty unless exempted for religious beliefs or financial hardship, a provision commonly referred to as the individual mandate. The Act also reforms certain aspects of the private health insurance industry and public health insurance programs, increases insurance coverage of pre-existing conditions, expands access to insurance to an additional 30 million Americans,and increases projected national medical spending while reducing the national deficit, slowing health care cost inflation, and lowering projected Medicare spending."

Captain Pirate Pineapple

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Frostbyrn wrote:Its okay Americans dont even understand their own country let alone anyone elses

Sad but true.

Pariah wrote:Lols to teh walls.

I find all the freakout about Obamacare ridiculous. Mostly because people don't understand the act itself, they just hate Obama.

Very, very, very true.

Half the people you hear bitching about politics or Obama don't even understand what they are bitching about to begin with.

Pariah

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Pariah wrote:Lols to teh walls.

I find all the freakout about Obamacare ridiculous. Mostly because people don't understand the act itself, they just hate Obama.

Very, very, very true.

Half the people you hear bitching about politics or Obama don't even understand what they are bitching about to begin with.[/quote]

Conversation with a friend, quoted from memory.

him: I hate obamacare!
me: why, what's so bad about socialised healthcare?
him: obama made it
me: why do you hate Obama?
him: glenn beck told me to
me: *leave*

Gary Effin' Oak.

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The people crying will be the first people to need it....

Trust me, im from the south.

DRGN LRD 1213

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I can tell you from my stand point. I'm not happy because what can potentially happen is that health insurance premiums will go up causing me to pay more to keep my family covered, and additionally my employer could potentially drop me because of the extra cost to themselves. My employer is not required to give me benefits. If the costs go up they will pass them on to me as they have ion the past.

Peoples gut check reaction of I am moving to Canada is a dumb thing to say but at least they are frustrated with it and maybe they will educate themselves and o I don't know..... turn up and vote! I can tell you I know nothing about Canada's health care but I can tell you having a family I've dealt with plenty of doctors and been to specialists, emergency rooms. Something does need to change. I mean when they charge you a 100 bucks for a band aid something is wrong. Additionally I have health insurance and even then my gut gets all tied in knots trying to figure out how I'm going to cover my portion. Its sad when you have to consider risking your health because you worry that you can;t afford care.

chunckylover53

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Correct me if i am wrong but.. It's going to tax people who don't have it? I mean this thing has to be very very affordable because between paying for school and keeping the car in tip top shop it's expensive as is and i don't have much left after the usual monthly things.

Are we going to be taxed yearly? monthly? everytime we visit?

The Adli Corporation

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PMSL.

infadel117

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Frostbyrn wrote:Its okay Americans dont even understand their own country let alone anyone elses

true

JrTapia1991

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A great day for the poor, the disabled, the downtrodden and the elderly and those who care about them and a very bad day for elitists, bigots, the ignorant and fascists and those that support them.

Ron Swanson

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All insurance is a scam. Its all designed so you can NEVER come out on top. Your better off taking that premium you pay and putting it in a coffee can buried in your back yard.

The big problem with Obamacare is nobody knows what it really does. Its a 2000 page bill filled with BS lawyer speak so no one person understands the thing in it entirety.

DRGN LRD 1213

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The problem with your coffee can theory tho Terry is that without insurance you paylist price for your healthcare. Heres a crude example.

I go get a bandaid. I pay my co pay, and whatever I neeed to meet my deductable. The cost of the bandaid has been negotiated with my insurance company to a cheaper price. Lets say I'm out 50 bucks.

Now I don;t have insurance and I go get that bandaid. THe baind aid that was 100 bucks but I still had to pay something for now costs me 1,000 dollars. Because I don;t get the negotiated price I get the inflated bulls shit price.

THATs what is fucked up with out health care.

DRGN LRD 1213

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O But I do agree Terry insurance is a scam. At least the way its run now. I appreciate Obama wanting to make a change just not a fan of the way he is doing it.

Keyser Söze

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Real men rub dirt and spit on to their wounds.

ConciliarFox

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I`m with DL on this one. Change is needed, I just don't like how the bill goes about it. People should have the right to refuse a healthcare plan, I don`t see it as smart but they have that right. Thats the big issue, being don't to pay a penalty for not having it, the Supreme Court sees as a tax hence their ruling. MY biggest issue is the cost, its estimated to cost about 1 trillion dollars, they plan on raising the money for it by using the penalties from those who don't want it, but it won't be enough, eventually taxes will need to raised, or the program will suck money from other government funded institutes, and the cost of this will go to children, and their children. Our healthcare system , hospitals and doctors, are already strapped with those who are already covered now, and adding 2.6 million people will only make it worse, much worse. I would have rather seen all this money go to relief funding for those going to medical school to help them afford it a bit better, find a way to fix the cost of malpractice insurance and malpractice suite's (thats why the cost of health insurance was so high). Nothing is being done about the cause of the problem with our healthcare system, just the symptoms. Now the quality of our heath care officals (doctors, nurses) will suffer so we can have quantity for everyone.

My 2 cents.....

DRGN LRD 1213

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Preach on brother fox! What you say has wisdom!

Good to see you post by the way! =o)

ConciliarFox

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thank you DL. I'm trying for a comeback.

DRGN LRD 1213

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Well a comeback by the ConFox would be awesome my friend!!!

One of the greatest football minds the SeC has ever known! =o)

Guest

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Frostbyrn wrote:Its okay Americans dont even understand their own country let alone anyone elses

F U

Ron Swanson

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Frostbyrn wrote:Its okay Americans dont even understand their own country let alone anyone elses

This is kinda true, but the fact of the matter is we have the most complex country in the world. Consider Europe consolidated into one country.

Guest

Guest

Its pretty funny somebody talking shit about America, considering where they are from. They only country I give shit to is North Korea, because well, they are bat shit insane.

People who talk shit about this country have never been here or spent time here. Why do you think we have so MANY immigrants? People like it here.

DRGN LRD 1213

DRGN LRD 1213

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I love when someone that doesn;t live in the US wants to educate me and tell me that Americans don;t understand their country. I'll take it as a silly joke but to be honest my gut reaction was to say F U as well. We have our share of idiots but every country does. The US is still a global leader and super power. For a reason!

grader

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I dont understand some of the responces here.The Healthcare in Canada is very good,it isnt privatized and its free no one is ever turned away.Ive never had to pay anything to a doctor or hospital in my life.How does it work in the states?

Ron Swanson

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grader wrote:I dont understand some of the responces here.The Healthcare in Canada is very good,it isnt privatized and its free no one is ever turned away.Ive never had to pay anything to a doctor or hospital in my life.How does it work in the states?

Isn't Canada in a lot of financial trouble mainly due to their medical system?

JrTapia1991

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>___> here unless you're a lady that spits out 5 kids and gets free state insurance,you gotta pay out the ass for insurance (and still get screwed like others have said) or else you get stuck with a big ass bill....has happened to me a few times when I had to go to the hospital,not like I'm ever gonna have the money to pay it...

are dentists free there? man that's 1 wish I'd make if I could here...dentists are expensive as hell here just to pull a tooth

Pariah

Pariah

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Terry Corp. wrote:

Frostbyrn wrote:Its okay Americans dont even understand their own country let alone anyone elses

This is kinda true, but the fact of the matter is we have the most complex country in the world. Consider Europe consolidated into one country.

Hold up. both you and Sym are on to something here Terry.

As I see it, you're both right and both wrong. Terry, the issue here isn't that America is the most complicated country in the world, and the generalization of Europe is a silly comparison. The issue is that certain parts of american society are so batshit insane that no one in their right mind can comprehend them. Europe is the same, not just homogenous.

Sym, you're also right and wrong. It's wrong to just say "F U", but you're also totally right that what he said was stupid. America fuckin rocks, and as one who is an actual immigrant, having seen a different culture first hand, I think I'm qualified to say that. America is a bitchin, awesome-as-hell country, and I'm glad I live in it.

Adding a litle bit on the side, passing judgement on america without living there is dumb, and we all know that to be true. There's only a small ways you can go judging via internet. Most of american culture must be lived to be understood, and while parts of it are just fucking retarded, much of it is without a doubt great.

Zillah

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I think what frost meant is that most people dont fully understand how the government works, and thats true. Its especially true when it comes to this health care bill, 9 out of 10 people dont really get what it does. (which is fairly understandable considering how cimplex it is)

grader

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Terry Corp. wrote:

grader wrote:I dont understand some of the responces here.The Healthcare in Canada is very good,it isnt privatized and its free no one is ever turned away.Ive never had to pay anything to a doctor or hospital in my life.How does it work in the states?

Isn't Canada in a lot of financial trouble mainly due to their medical system?

Canada isnt in any financial trouble,no more than any other country anyways.Healthcare costs alot to the government but thats why we pay higher taxes.

grader

grader

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@ Jr

The dentist is free to the age of 13,after that you pay unless its an emergency.If you cant afford it or its after hours and its serious and has to be dealt with immediatly you can go to the hospital and get it taken care of.

Kenshiro

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I don't really mind the whole healthcare/not issue. It's got bad points sure.

But to move to Canada to avoid healthcare just seems kina counter-intuitive.

We might not do amazing economically in comparison, but we weren't as affected by the recession recently.

And living here, we pay higher taxes, but we've been doing it for long enough it doesn't feel high, just normal.

Zillah

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Terry Corp. wrote:

grader wrote:I dont understand some of the responces here.The Healthcare in Canada is very good,it isnt privatized and its free no one is ever turned away.Ive never had to pay anything to a doctor or hospital in my life.How does it work in the states?

Isn't Canada in a lot of financial trouble mainly due to their medical system?

this is such a huge misconception spread by the right wing. The US spends waaaayyyy more money per capita than any other country in the world for health care (about 15% of GDP)

Something tells me some Americans don't exactly understand my country. OECDChart1

Something tells me some Americans don't exactly understand my country. OECDChart1

You'd think that with that much money being spent on health care our system would be miles ahead of any other country's and our life expectancy would also be much longer... its not though. The reason we're spending (wasting) so much money on health care is because its so inefficient, and thats ultimately what the new health care program is trying to fix, by having everyone pay for health care (like every other 1st world country on the planet) since everyone needs it.

Right now, every time someone that doesnt have health insurance goes to the hospital, their bills end up getting added to everyone else's insurance premiums. The idea is that if everyone pays for health care through a tax it'll become much more streamlined, fair, and efficient in the process.

grader

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MH wrote:I don't really mind the whole healthcare/not issue. It's got bad points sure.

But to move to Canada to avoid healthcare just seems kina counter-intuitive.

We might not do amazing economically in comparison, but we weren't as affected by the recession recently.

And living here, we pay higher taxes, but we've been doing it for long enough it doesn't feel high, just normal.

Yeah you dont notice the taxes,it just the way its always been.

The recession didnt affect Canada much just certain groups,industries,I actually lost pretty much everything to the recession and the housing crash in the states those couple years ago.

Frostbyrn

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Zillah wrote:I think what frost meant is that most people dont fully understand how the government works, and thats true. Its especially true when it comes to this health care bill, 9 out of 10 people dont really get what it does. (which is fairly understandable considering how cimplex it is)

Actually I was just joking to troll Sym Very Happy

but what you said sounds good Zillah so lets go with that

Although a couple of things

I would consider China or Japan more complicated than the U.S maybe its because im white and speak english so theres that extra little bit of a barrier there

Second NZ has a shitload of immigrants as well judging a country by the amount of immigrants it gets is silly it probally just means its in close proximity to a shittier country(I dont actually know why that annoyed me Very Happy

)

Third I can judge the US without going there based on the people ive met that come from there. Thats like saying you cant judge Nazi Germany without actually living in Nazi Germany its stupid

Pariah

Pariah

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Frostbyrn wrote:
Third I can judge the US without going there based on the people ive met that come from there. Thats like saying you cant judge Nazi Germany without actually living in Nazi Germany its stupid[/color]

I argue this. You've met people from America. Fine. I've met people from Hokkaido, but I can't presume to guess what life is like in Japan. You've met people who are, regardless of who they are, a subset of american society. The best thing about america is that it isn't a homogenous whole. There are so many racial, economic, social, political, and theological divides that no one person can represent america.

Frostbyrn

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You assume your the only americans ive met

Not to mention the Americans on SeC are from different ethnicitys,Socio-economic backgrounds,cultures,states,religions and ages

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Chewy

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Really judging any group of over 300 million people as a whole is bound to be a little faulty to say the least. I would say the cutoff is about 4,500,000.

Frostbyrn

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Chewy wrote:Really judging any group of over 300 million people as a whole is bound to be a little faulty to say the least. I would say the cutoff is about 4,500,000.

hehe

Kenshiro

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Chewy wrote:Really judging any group of over 300 million people as a whole is bound to be a little faulty to say the least. I would say the cutoff is about 4,500,000.

I guessed New Zealand.

Pariah

Pariah

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Frostbyrn wrote:You assume your the only american ive met

Not to mention the Americans on SeC are from different ethnicitys,Socio-economic backgrounds,cultures,states,religions and ages

1) I'm not american.
2) the americans on SeC already represent a specific subset of this society. using them as your study group is silly.

Face it, you're trying to generalise a group of over 300 million people, without even a one percent exposure. It's flawed statistics is what it is

Frostbyrn

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Face it your wrong,I said I was joking therefore I wasnt generalising anyone at all

You merely chose to ignore the most important part of the post to satisfy your lust for argument which is getting frankly ridiculous

Secondly I said I could judge you based on what I observed from my experience with Americans a judgement in this case is just an opinion therefore always valid

Third by your argument you cant judge them either as there is no way you have been exposed to even 1%

Fourth the Americans on the SeC arent a specific subset of society they are a bunch of different groups brought together by a common interest. Gamers arent a specific subset. Calling 78% percent of Americans a specific subset is just stupid or 58% if you only include those who play online

Lastly the "Your the only American ive met" thing was obviously a typo and meant to read Americans

Although I dont know why I bother your to stupid and arrogant to see logic anyway so im out

ConciliarFox

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Getting back to the point of the original post.... Yeah it does seem silly to move to Canada to avoid the same thing that is already there.

Guest

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Sorry guys

Frostbyrn

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Sym wrote:Sorry guys

For what?

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