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51Religion?  - Page 2 Empty Re: Religion? 2011-09-08, 17:20

Pariah

Pariah

Symbolic wrote:Im just saying. Do research into the Roman Catholic church. That will tell you all you need to know.

- Did you know the Bible you read is not complete and is deliberate missing content as the church didn't like the way it portrayed Jesus?

- Ever heard of the Crusade's?

- White Supremacist's? They use the Bible as a tool to manipulate the public.

- Muslim extremist's?

Im not being a dick here, Im just saying. This is the truth, and its all documented in history.

- Not to mention that religion is the easiest way to control the mass public. Everybody in history has known this, and has used it to their advantage in many many circumstances. Its simple, instill fear, shame and guilt into people, and they become sheep.

While religion itself may be harmless, its a fact it has been spun, and used as a tool of evil forever, and in almost every culture in varying amounts.
Dude, don't start. Quite a few of us know that the Bible is severely edited and censored, that the Crusades were just stupidity. THere is no reason to ruin a perfectly nice discussion with this.

And for the Supremacist part, most every affiliation has at one point or another put a religious spin on their actions. The usage of this device in an argumentative setting is weak and should be avoided.

52Religion?  - Page 2 Empty Re: Religion? 2011-09-08, 17:22

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Symbolic wrote:I have controversial feelings on the subject, so I usually keep my mouth shut. But I see this thread is level headed, so I feel I can say that. Good job SeC. Laughing

I would still like to hear your thoughts though. its nice to hear what others think, you know?

53Religion?  - Page 2 Empty Re: Religion? 2011-09-08, 17:25

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Pariah wrote:
Symbolic wrote:Im just saying. Do research into the Roman Catholic church. That will tell you all you need to know.

- Did you know the Bible you read is not complete and is deliberate missing content as the church didn't like the way it portrayed Jesus?

- Ever heard of the Crusade's?

- White Supremacist's? They use the Bible as a tool to manipulate the public.

- Muslim extremist's?

Im not being a dick here, Im just saying. This is the truth, and its all documented in history.

- Not to mention that religion is the easiest way to control the mass public. Everybody in history has known this, and has used it to their advantage in many many circumstances. Its simple, instill fear, shame and guilt into people, and they become sheep.

While religion itself may be harmless, its a fact it has been spun, and used as a tool of evil forever, and in almost every culture in varying amounts.
Dude, don't start. Quite a few of us know that the Bible is severely edited and censored, that the Crusades were just stupidity. THere is no reason to ruin a perfectly nice discussion with this.

And for the Supremacist part, most every affiliation has at one point or another put a religious spin on their actions. The usage of this device in an argumentative setting is weak and should be avoided.


I think he was responding to me asking him how religion was evil, no need to get mad. he was just responding to a question.

54Religion?  - Page 2 Empty Re: Religion? 2011-09-08, 17:26

Pariah

Pariah

My apologies. I just didn't want this spirit of intelligent debate to end.

55Religion?  - Page 2 Empty Re: Religion? 2011-09-08, 17:28

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Pariah wrote:My apologies. I just didn't want this spirit of intelligent debate to end.

totally fine, but just make sure you read the whole thing first. XP Context is everything.

56Religion?  - Page 2 Empty Re: Religion? 2011-09-08, 17:31

Symbolic

Symbolic

Pariah wrote:
Symbolic wrote:Im just saying. Do research into the Roman Catholic church. That will tell you all you need to know.

- Did you know the Bible you read is not complete and is deliberate missing content as the church didn't like the way it portrayed Jesus?

- Ever heard of the Crusade's?

- White Supremacist's? They use the Bible as a tool to manipulate the public.

- Muslim extremist's?

Im not being a dick here, Im just saying. This is the truth, and its all documented in history.

- Not to mention that religion is the easiest way to control the mass public. Everybody in history has known this, and has used it to their advantage in many many circumstances. Its simple, instill fear, shame and guilt into people, and they become sheep.

While religion itself may be harmless, its a fact it has been spun, and used as a tool of evil forever, and in almost every culture in varying amounts.
Dude, don't start. Quite a few of us know that the Bible is severely edited and censored, that the Crusades were just stupidity. THere is no reason to ruin a perfectly nice discussion with this.

And for the Supremacist part, most every affiliation has at one point or another put a religious spin on their actions. The usage of this device in an argumentative setting is weak and should be avoided.


scratch

did you even read were that was coming from? I answered a direct question. And how is it a weak argument? In the context of the situation, it makes perfect sense. So again...... scratch

57Religion?  - Page 2 Empty Re: Religion? 2011-09-08, 17:40

Symbolic

Symbolic

Pariah wrote:My apologies. I just didn't want this spirit of intelligent debate to end.

Oh my bad. I didnt see this. No problem.

58Religion?  - Page 2 Empty Re: Religion? 2011-09-08, 17:42

JrTapia1991

JrTapia1991

Yeah I read about that too that it's highly edited with just what the roman church wanted to be put into it,many many many books were left out. Ironic that the gospel of Thomas(I think) said something to the sort of,you don't need church at all,just have a good relationship with Jesus and you're ok......no wonder it was left out.Then the church wouldn't of had all that power,and I think all that led to the dark ages....we could be alot more advanced now if the dark ages hadn't of happened I've read before.

Medicine could be alot more advanced by 3000 years or so if Arostatle (sp?) hadn't of done something....memories fuzzy as hell lol,been years since I read it,but I know the main important parts.

There's too many loopholes in everything really.......fries your brain thinking about it all afro

59Religion?  - Page 2 Empty Re: Religion? 2011-09-08, 17:49

Symbolic

Symbolic

There is also a story in the missing text about Jesus pushing a kid off a roof when he was young. But that was taken out because the church didnt want people to know this. I dunno, but thats a pretty big red flag to me.

60Religion?  - Page 2 Empty Re: Religion? 2011-09-08, 17:54

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Symbolic wrote:There is also a story in the missing text about Jesus pushing a kid off a roof when he was young. But that was taken out because the church didnt want people to know this. I dunno, but thats a pretty big red flag to me.

sounds like a big red flag, but I wont believe it til you show me. just for the sheer fact that we are using the interweb. XD but if you find it, I would love to read into that. and as for the church holding the power, it totally makes sense, but again I say, the church is a body of believers, not a building.

61Religion?  - Page 2 Empty Re: Religion? 2011-09-08, 18:01

Pariah

Pariah

Symbolic wrote:
Pariah wrote:My apologies. I just didn't want this spirit of intelligent debate to end.

Oh my bad. I didnt see this. No problem.
Perfectly fine, no worries.

And the "supremacist" argument, in my opinion, is weak because again, pretty much every religion has extremists. From the Westboro Baptists to Al-Qaeda (is that the correct spelling?). The argument that "oh Islam/Christianity/ionsertotherreligionhere is evil because so many people use it as an excuse to hurt others" is easily countered with an acknowledgement that the religion of the opposing viewpoint shares this trait.

62Religion?  - Page 2 Empty Re: Religion? 2011-09-08, 18:05

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Westboro Baptists!!! thats the "church" that I kept thinking of. they are the ones who always organize the groups that go out and protest everything. I mean, I don't know what they were Taught, but that obviously is construed from what the Bible teaches.

63Religion?  - Page 2 Empty Re: Religion? 2011-09-08, 18:06

Symbolic

Symbolic

Who? wrote:
Symbolic wrote:There is also a story in the missing text about Jesus pushing a kid off a roof when he was young. But that was taken out because the church didnt want people to know this. I dunno, but thats a pretty big red flag to me.

sounds like a big red flag, but I wont believe it til you show me. just for the sheer fact that we are using the interweb. XD but if you find it, I would love to read into that. and as for the church holding the power, it totally makes sense, but again I say, the church is a body of believers, not a building.

http://www.thelostbooks.com/deadsea.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_years_of_Jesus(its Wiki but pretty accurate)

http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0846.htm

Spoiler:

Spolier tag is long copy and paste. Not a spoiler lol.

64Religion?  - Page 2 Empty Re: Religion? 2011-09-08, 18:07

JrTapia1991

JrTapia1991

Do you think believing in ghosts makes being an atheist null and void?The whole deal with atheist is there's nothing after death right?

I switch between being an atheist when I'm feeling cynical and an agnostic.Nobody truly knows whats out there and what happens after death.I hope one day we all meet up on a planet of nothing but sexy woman and munchies and volcanos of taco bell and mountain dew and beer lol.


I really hope from the bottom of my heart there's something after death,but I always have a feeling in the back of my head there's not.

I do remember as a kid going to some church my mom took me to and this old lady pointing to these clouds saying somethin like her car was up there and I'm like HUH? lol and look up,and sure enough there was a green car sitting on a cloud I shit you not...It was like a 1950's car a little darker green than sym's username.

>___> I know it sounds weird as hell but from what I remember it looked exactly like a car sitting on a cloud.and my town's too rinky dink for blimps or anything.I don't even think you could make an illusion with that.idk...somethin was up lol

65Religion?  - Page 2 Empty Re: Religion? 2011-09-08, 18:09

Symbolic

Symbolic

I agree it would be depressing if this life is all there is. I hope there is something, but Im skeptical of just about everything. Its kinda my nature I guess.

66Religion?  - Page 2 Empty Re: Religion? 2011-09-08, 18:12

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Witch craft?!?! XD just kidding, I don't know, I do believe in ghosts, and I thought, correct me if I am wrong, that Atheist = no god (of any sort).

if this is true, the existance of ghosts would be totally fine, because just because there is no god(referring to any) then that doesn't mean there is no afterlife.

67Religion?  - Page 2 Empty Re: Religion? 2011-09-08, 18:14

Pariah

Pariah

JrTapia1991 wrote:Do you think believing in ghosts makes being an atheist null and void?The whole deal with atheist is there's nothing after death right?

I switch between being an atheist when I'm feeling cynical and an agnostic.Nobody truly knows whats out there and what happens after death.I hope one day we all meet up on a planet of nothing but sexy woman and munchies and volcanos of taco bell and mountain dew and beer lol.


I really hope from the bottom of my heart there's something after death,but I always have a feeling in the back of my head there's not.

I do remember as a kid going to some church my mom took me to and this old lady pointing to these clouds saying somethin like her car was up there and I'm like HUH? lol and look up,and sure enough there was a green car sitting on a cloud I shit you not...It was like a 1950's car a little darker green than sym's username.

>___> I know it sounds weird as hell but from what I remember it looked exactly like a car sitting on a cloud.and my town's too rinky dink for blimps or anything.I don't even think you could make an illusion with that.idk...somethin was up lol
Ghosts =/= God. In the original greek, atheist was atheos (without deity). Meaning that while atheists fundamentally deny the existence of a ruling, all powerful god, the existence of extrahuman intelligence is completely open to debate.

68Religion?  - Page 2 Empty Re: Religion? 2011-09-08, 18:17

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Pariah wrote:
JrTapia1991 wrote:Do you think believing in ghosts makes being an atheist null and void?The whole deal with atheist is there's nothing after death right?

I switch between being an atheist when I'm feeling cynical and an agnostic.Nobody truly knows whats out there and what happens after death.I hope one day we all meet up on a planet of nothing but sexy woman and munchies and volcanos of taco bell and mountain dew and beer lol.


I really hope from the bottom of my heart there's something after death,but I always have a feeling in the back of my head there's not.

I do remember as a kid going to some church my mom took me to and this old lady pointing to these clouds saying somethin like her car was up there and I'm like HUH? lol and look up,and sure enough there was a green car sitting on a cloud I shit you not...It was like a 1950's car a little darker green than sym's username.

>___> I know it sounds weird as hell but from what I remember it looked exactly like a car sitting on a cloud.and my town's too rinky dink for blimps or anything.I don't even think you could make an illusion with that.idk...somethin was up lol
Ghosts =/= God. In the original greek, atheist was atheos (without deity). Meaning that while atheists fundamentally deny the existence of a ruling, all powerful god, the existence of extrahuman intelligence is completely open to debate.


thats what I was trying to explain. XP

69Religion?  - Page 2 Empty Re: Religion? 2011-09-08, 18:20

Pariah

Pariah

im sorry, I just opened the reply window and sat there a good few minutes typing texts to my friends. didnt really notice.

70Religion?  - Page 2 Empty Re: Religion? 2011-09-08, 18:21

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Pariah wrote:im sorry, I just opened the reply window and sat there a good few minutes typing texts to my friends. didnt really notice.

thats fine, you added some elements that I didn't so it worked out swimmingly.

71Religion?  - Page 2 Empty Re: Religion? 2011-09-08, 18:22

JrTapia1991

JrTapia1991

yea me too.....


what about aliens?What if aliens came here with their own religions from their own planet?Who would know what to believe then...?

besides that......This galaxy alone is too big for us to be the only life out there.I was reading earlier that last month they found the building blocks for life on meteorites and comets saying that the comets create them inside and can make a wide variety of different DNA.... and said that they really believed life on earth started when one crashed into the sea.The wide variety could explain the many different species here,but I was thinking many aliens too

http://news.yahoo.com/scientists-building-blocks-life-meteorites-214025951.html

The Kepler scope (I think that's its name) has found about 2 billion earth like planets in not that long a time studying...baffles your mind.and that's just in a short amount of time in our own neighborhood....none the less the whole galaxy or the trillion trillion trillion other galaxies out there...

I really like stuff having to do with space...what made me like mass effect so much Razz

I think the aliens helped us advance from way back then.Aliens probably know we're here with all the UFO stuff I've seen......we're just too primitive compared to them for them to bother with us really.We're pond sludge compared to them maybe.They could be a million years more advanced than us >: O

72Religion?  - Page 2 Empty Re: Religion? 2011-09-08, 18:23

Pariah

Pariah

every time i hear the word swimmingly i think of this Religion?  - Page 2 OzwCU]

73Religion?  - Page 2 Empty Re: Religion? 2011-09-08, 18:26

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JrTapia1991 wrote:yea me too.....


what about aliens?What if aliens came here with their own religions from their own planet?Who would know what to believe then...?

besides that......This galaxy alone is too big for us to be the only life out there.I was reading earlier that last month they found the building blocks for life on meteorites and comets saying that the comets create them inside and can make a wide variety of different DNA.... and said that they really believed life on earth started when one crashed into the sea.The wide variety could explain the many different species here,but I was thinking many aliens too

http://news.yahoo.com/scientists-building-blocks-life-meteorites-214025951.html

The Kepler scope (I think that's its name) has found about 2 billion earth like planets in not that long a time studying...baffles your mind.and that's just in a short amount of time in our own neighborhood....none the less the whole galaxy or the trillion trillion trillion other galaxies out there...

I really like stuff having to do with space...what made me like mass effect so much Razz

I think the aliens helped us advance from way back then.Aliens probably know we're here with all the UFO stuff I've seen......we're just too primitive compared to them for them to bother with us really.We're pond sludge compared to them maybe.They could be a million years more advanced than us >: O


I have thought of this many times, but everytime I come to the conclusion that, if there are, how do we know that the same God didn't create them too?

74Religion?  - Page 2 Empty Re: Religion? 2011-09-08, 18:28

Pariah

Pariah

I thought about this once and the only conclusion I could reach was that if aliens existed, and God was a truth, then either the aliens must all worship the exact same religion we do (which is arrogant and stupid to assume) or God is a liar.

75Religion?  - Page 2 Empty Re: Religion? 2011-09-08, 18:32

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Pariah wrote:I thought about this once and the only conclusion I could reach was that if aliens existed, and God was a truth, then either the aliens must all worship the exact same religion we do (which is arrogant and stupid to assume) or God is a liar.

in no way am I saying that that is what I think, I was just thinking that its possible that they could use a different name, but again that is assuming.

76Religion?  - Page 2 Empty Re: Religion? 2011-09-08, 18:33

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Pariah wrote:every time i hear the word swimmingly i think of this Religion?  - Page 2 OzwCU]

this made me Lawl.

77Religion?  - Page 2 Empty Re: Religion? 2011-09-08, 18:37

Pariah

Pariah

anything to brighten the day of a fellow secer.

78Religion?  - Page 2 Empty Re: Religion? 2011-09-08, 18:38

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lol well the fact that this topic has lasted so long made my day, but that made it a wee bit Brighter. XP

79Religion?  - Page 2 Empty Re: Religion? 2011-09-08, 18:54

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anyways Thanks guys for the Discussion. I am officially done. XD

80Religion?  - Page 2 Empty Re: Religion? 2011-09-08, 18:57

Pariah

Pariah

No problem. Have a good one.

81Religion?  - Page 2 Empty Re: Religion? 2011-09-08, 19:04

Chewy

Chewy

Pariah wrote:Personally, I practice and identify with no religion, just because my sense of logic and truth screams out against it.

Atheist: "God doesn't exist"

Agnostic: "God may or may not exist"

Just sayin'
Not necessarily.

While that is what most people refer to them as, atheism is really the lack of a belief in a god, not the belief that there definitely is no god. Agnosticism is just saying you have no knowledge of the existence of a god.

So me not believing in any particular god means that I am in a sense an atheist, even though I am at the same time agnostic because I don't claim to actually know the answer on whether there is one or not. Most atheists actually are agnostic in some sense.

82Religion?  - Page 2 Empty Re: Religion? 2011-09-08, 19:30

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Chewy wrote:
Pariah wrote:Personally, I practice and identify with no religion, just because my sense of logic and truth screams out against it.

Atheist: "God doesn't exist"

Agnostic: "God may or may not exist"

Just sayin'
Not necessarily.

While that is what most people refer to them as, atheism is really the lack of a belief in a god, not the belief that there definitely is no god. Agnosticism is just saying you have no knowledge of the existence of a god.

So me not believing in any particular god means that I am in a sense an atheist, even though I am at the same time agnostic because I don't claim to actually know the answer on whether there is one or not. Most atheists actually are agnostic in some sense.

Thank you Chewy. I have appreciated your comments in this .

83Religion?  - Page 2 Empty Re: Religion? 2011-09-08, 20:43

Zillah

Zillah

Who? wrote:
JrTapia1991 wrote:yea me too.....


what about aliens?What if aliens came here with their own religions from their own planet?Who would know what to believe then...?

besides that......This galaxy alone is too big for us to be the only life out there.I was reading earlier that last month they found the building blocks for life on meteorites and comets saying that the comets create them inside and can make a wide variety of different DNA.... and said that they really believed life on earth started when one crashed into the sea.The wide variety could explain the many different species here,but I was thinking many aliens too

http://news.yahoo.com/scientists-building-blocks-life-meteorites-214025951.html

The Kepler scope (I think that's its name) has found about 2 billion earth like planets in not that long a time studying...baffles your mind.and that's just in a short amount of time in our own neighborhood....none the less the whole galaxy or the trillion trillion trillion other galaxies out there...

I really like stuff having to do with space...what made me like mass effect so much Razz

I think the aliens helped us advance from way back then.Aliens probably know we're here with all the UFO stuff I've seen......we're just too primitive compared to them for them to bother with us really.We're pond sludge compared to them maybe.They could be a million years more advanced than us >: O


I have thought of this many times, but everytime I come to the conclusion that, if there are, how do we know that the same God didn't create them too?

It would be more of a counter to the nuts that read the bible word-for-word and take what it says literally, because in there it says all life comes from the garden of eden, and aliens that have ventured millions of light years to see us definitely didnt originate in the garden of eden...

Im just waiting for evidence of (past) life to be found somewhere on mars and turn those peoples world upside down.

I dont get why people read the bible literally... the new testament and especially the old testament have been translated from one language to another and edited a lot along the way; the essence of the stories stays the same but its definitely not the same text it was hundreds of years ago.

Anyway, im not a fan of religion. I dont really have a problem with people being religious (how can you when a good portion of everyone you know is religious) until they start trying to convince me that there is a god and I should believe in him. I just ask them what reason they have to believe in god, besides the fact that they were brought up to believe in him. people usually dont get very far. yeah sorry if I sound cocky... i tend to get like that when talking about religion. sorry.

84Religion?  - Page 2 Empty Re: Religion? 2011-09-08, 21:03

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Zillah wrote:
Who? wrote:
JrTapia1991 wrote:yea me too.....


what about aliens?What if aliens came here with their own religions from their own planet?Who would know what to believe then...?

besides that......This galaxy alone is too big for us to be the only life out there.I was reading earlier that last month they found the building blocks for life on meteorites and comets saying that the comets create them inside and can make a wide variety of different DNA.... and said that they really believed life on earth started when one crashed into the sea.The wide variety could explain the many different species here,but I was thinking many aliens too

http://news.yahoo.com/scientists-building-blocks-life-meteorites-214025951.html

The Kepler scope (I think that's its name) has found about 2 billion earth like planets in not that long a time studying...baffles your mind.and that's just in a short amount of time in our own neighborhood....none the less the whole galaxy or the trillion trillion trillion other galaxies out there...

I really like stuff having to do with space...what made me like mass effect so much Razz

I think the aliens helped us advance from way back then.Aliens probably know we're here with all the UFO stuff I've seen......we're just too primitive compared to them for them to bother with us really.We're pond sludge compared to them maybe.They could be a million years more advanced than us >: O


I have thought of this many times, but everytime I come to the conclusion that, if there are, how do we know that the same God didn't create them too?

It would be more of a counter to the nuts that read the bible word-for-word and take what it says literally, because in there it says all life comes from the garden of eden, and aliens that have ventured millions of light years to see us definitely didnt originate in the garden of eden...

Im just waiting for evidence of (past) life to be found somewhere on mars and turn those peoples world upside down.

I dont get why people read the bible literally... the new testament and especially the old testament have been translated from one language to another and edited a lot along the way; the essence of the stories stays the same but its definitely not the same text it was hundreds of years ago.

Anyway, im not a fan of religion. I dont really have a problem with people being religious (how can you when a good portion of everyone you know is religious) until they start trying to convince me that there is a god and I should believe in him. I just ask them what reason they have to believe in god, besides the fact that they were brought up to believe in him. people usually dont get very far. yeah sorry if I sound cocky... i tend to get like that when talking about religion. sorry.

dont be sorry, I was thoroughly entertained by your answer, and not everything is literal in the bible but a lot of it is.

85Religion?  - Page 2 Empty Re: Religion? 2011-09-08, 21:14

Zillah

Zillah

thoroughly entertained...

fine with me!

86Religion?  - Page 2 Empty Re: Religion? 2011-09-08, 21:15

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not in a bad way. haha like I understand what you are saying and the question you ask and the response you get is funny.

87Religion?  - Page 2 Empty Re: Religion? 2011-09-08, 21:20

Kyuubey

Kyuubey

Zillah wrote:

Anyway, im not a fan of religion. I dont really have a problem with people being religious (how can you when a good portion of everyone you know is religious) until they start trying to convince me that there is a god and I should believe in him.

I feel the same with Atheists who try to convince me that there is no God. It's not just religious people who do things like that Razz

88Religion?  - Page 2 Empty Re: Religion? 2011-09-08, 21:22

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Kyuubey wrote:
Zillah wrote:

Anyway, im not a fan of religion. I dont really have a problem with people being religious (how can you when a good portion of everyone you know is religious) until they start trying to convince me that there is a god and I should believe in him.

I feel the same with Atheists who try to convince me that there is no God. It's not just religious people who do things like that Razz

true, but I don't let it get to me. I just shrug them off.

89Religion?  - Page 2 Empty Re: Religion? 2011-09-08, 21:27

Zillah

Zillah

yes... i bet thats annoying as well. I really shouldnt have complained about people trying to convince me god exists, because im guilty of doing the exact opposite *shrug*

I just cant believe in anything when nothing exists to make me believe in it. I just never see any evidence of god in my life, so why would i believe in him? trust me... i really wish a god existed that guaranteed me immortality... and that helped me out through divine intervention when I needed it... but... *sigh*

again, im not trying to be a jerk here, i swear!

90Religion?  - Page 2 Empty Re: Religion? 2011-09-08, 21:32

Khfan60

Khfan60

I was baptized(Catholic?) when I was a baby, but since then I've only been to a church a few times in my life, all for funerals. My mother wouldn't let me, she kept telling me the priests would molest me. *shrugs*

Because of that, I don't follow any religion, but I am a strong believer in faith.

91Religion?  - Page 2 Empty Re: Religion? 2011-09-08, 21:33

Kyuubey

Kyuubey

Stifler wrote:I was baptized(Catholic?) when I was a baby, but since then I've only been to a church a few times in my life, all for funerals. My mother wouldn't let me, she kept telling me the priests would molest me. *shrugs*
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92Religion?  - Page 2 Empty Re: Religion? 2011-09-08, 21:37

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Kyuubey wrote:
Stifler wrote:I was baptized(Catholic?) when I was a baby, but since then I've only been to a church a few times in my life, all for funerals. My mother wouldn't let me, she kept telling me the priests would molest me. *shrugs*
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My response as well.

93Religion?  - Page 2 Empty Re: Religion? 2011-09-08, 21:40

Khfan60

Khfan60

She is a very overprotective woman. Probably for the best though, I have heard a fair amount of stories about the holy fathers and their alter boys.

94Religion?  - Page 2 Empty Re: Religion? 2011-09-08, 21:42

Cubist Castle

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Atheist.

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95Religion?  - Page 2 Empty Re: Religion? 2011-09-08, 22:00

Wacco



Catholic myself, but a pretty liberal one. My school is a very liberal Catholic school. I've been taught not to take the Bible literally but to consider its value as a moral guide in a way. I don't care about gay marriage, it doesn't affect me so I see no problem with it. I am against abortion though. I think that people have enough education available to them to prevent unwanted pregnancies, and I don't think a child should have to die for a mistake.

One thing that irks me sometimes is when people assume I'm a blind follower of the church. I'm completely the opposite. I question it all the time. I don't even know if I fully believe in God sometimes. I think people just need to not force their opinions on religion on anyone because it's not like you're ever going to change someone's beliefs because you argued with them. America was founded on the principle of freedom of worship and I think we should stick to it.

96Religion?  - Page 2 Empty Re: Religion? 2011-09-08, 22:07

chunckylover53



Zillah wrote:yes... i bet thats annoying as well. I really shouldnt have complained about people trying to convince me god exists, because im guilty of doing the exact opposite *shrug*

I just cant believe in anything when nothing exists to make me believe in it. I just never see any evidence of god in my life, so why would i believe in him? trust me... i really wish a god existed that guaranteed me immortality... and that helped me out through divine intervention when I needed it... but... *sigh*

again, im not trying to be a jerk here, i swear!



I understand what you're saying i am torn aswel. There is so much to this universe than our tiny world it's very interesting and will probably never be fully explored or atleast not untill we're long dead. Of course i believe there is life out there with all theese different galaxys and such.



It's kinda sad because i highly doubt that we will ever explore all of them. But why they're there and how is impossible to answer. I wonder if space has a wall at the very top.. It has to end somewhere?

97Religion?  - Page 2 Empty Re: Religion? 2011-09-08, 22:07

Ante

Ante

Wacco wrote:Catholic myself, but a pretty liberal one. My school is a very liberal Catholic school. I've been taught not to take the Bible literally but to consider its value as a moral guide in a way. I don't care about gay marriage, it doesn't affect me so I see no problem with it. I am against abortion though. I think that people have enough education available to them to prevent unwanted pregnancies, and I don't think a child should have to die for a mistake.

One thing that irks me sometimes is when people assume I'm a blind follower of the church. I'm completely the opposite. I question it all the time. I don't even know if I fully believe in God sometimes. I think people just need to not force their opinions on religion on anyone because it's not like you're ever going to change someone's beliefs because you argued with them. America was founded on the principle of freedom of worship and I think we should stick to it.


I'm just nitpicking here and I honestly don't mean it to be a jerk, but it should be freedom of/FROM worship.

98Religion?  - Page 2 Empty Re: Religion? 2011-09-08, 22:12

Cubist Castle

Cubist Castle

Freedom from worship? What exactly does that mean?

Freedom through worship?
Freedom from people worshiping their gods?
Freedom from people worshiping you?

I mean, you're free to believe whatever it is you do or do not believe in. But no one can guarantee that a missionary isn't going to come preach at you, just as no one can guarantee that you're not going to get robbed at gunpoint.

It takes understanding from both sides.

99Religion?  - Page 2 Empty Re: Religion? 2011-09-08, 22:13

Duck

Duck

I've literally been stuck on an island with a bunch of hard core catholics before. Not fun. Officially the facebook says I'm protestant, and they passively aggressively ragged on me for being protestant. I wonder how'd they like to know I'm agnostic!

I can't agree with Catholics on the need to confess sins to some guy and the thought that a collection of cells is a human being, and the need to pray to saints, baptism at birth, thinking communion is LITERALLY the blood and skin of Jesus every month, the pope and other saints/whatever being spiritually superior to us mortals, and wow, pretty much EVERYTHING.

This train of thought always get me thinking, if God was up there and wanted us all to go to heaven, why can't he at least get his demands straight down here? It's like playing Russian Roulette and either Islam, Judaism, Catholicism, or Protestantism is the one bullet in the chamber and we don't really know which one it is.

100Religion?  - Page 2 Empty Re: Religion? 2011-09-08, 22:18

Ante

Ante

The Raddest wrote:Freedom from worship? What exactly does that mean?

Freedom through worship?
Freedom from people worshiping their gods?
Freedom from people worshiping you?

I mean, you're free to believe whatever it is you do or do not believe in. But no one can guarantee that a missionary isn't going to come preach at you, just as no one can guarantee that you're not going to get robbed at gunpoint.

It takes understanding from both sides.


It means I have the freedom to not worship anything. Jeez.

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