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Why Xbox failed in Japan

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1Why Xbox failed in Japan Empty Why Xbox failed in Japan 2012-12-14, 19:02

Green bean Specialist

Green bean Specialist

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-12-13-why-xbox-failed-in-japan

Before launching the Xbox Microsoft met with publishers to try to get third-party support for the console in the US, in the UK and in Japan. Meetings were arranged. Discussions were had. Microsoft talked the talk. Publishers signed up, or they didn't.

In Japan these meetings were fraught with complexity. So popular was the first PlayStation that Sony enjoyed a vice-like grip over the hearts and minds of Japanese publishers. They were afraid to alienate Sony by supporting Microsoft. In some cases, they were even afraid to be seen to support Microsoft.

“I remember going to a Sony party at E3,” Bachus says. “They had every one of the major Japanese game publishers who we'd spent a lot of time with in Japan. I ran into one of these guys, who was standing with Ken Kutaragi. At first he was like, 'hey!' and his face lit up. And then he realised he was standing next to Kutaragi. 'Oh, oh, I'm sorry, do I know you?' He pretended he didn't because he didn't want to alienate Sony.”

The cultural divide between east and west that caused Microsoft so many problems manifested itself in meetings. Sometimes, these meetings went well. Microsoft had a relatively easy time securing Tecmo's Dead or Alive 3 as an Xbox exclusive launch title because of Blackley's close relationship with series creator Tomonobu Itagaki, Later, in 2004, Itagaki's Ninja Gaiden released exclusively on Xbox.

“I remember meeting with them and they were saying, 'well, I guess you're here to ask for Dead of Alive, because everybody comes and wants to know what it would take for us to move Dead or Alive over.'” Bachus says. “I said, 'actually, no. I've read you're thinking about doing Ninja Gaiden, which was one of the first games I ever bought, and I'd love to see that on Xbox and I'd love to build a franchise around the association between Ninja Gaiden and Xbox.

“My candour and the fact we weren't just looking to go after the crown jewels right away, that we were looking to build a relationship with them, surprised them in a positive way. They seemed to embrace a relationship with Microsoft in a more receptive way than some of the others who were looking at it from more of a commercial standpoint.”

Doing business in Japan is not the same as doing business in the US, and the Xbox team learnt the hard way. In the US businessmen meet, discuss a contract, terms, sign and then get to work. In Japan business is done based on the strength of a relationship, cultivated in the many restaurants and karaoke bars that litter Tokyo and other business centres. The Japanese want to get a sense of who they're dealing with before they sign on the bottom line.

Many meetings and dinners later, a meeting in the US at E3 2003 was arranged. Microsoft and Square executives sat down to discuss Final Fantasy 11. From the off it was a disaster. “I had gone through a lot of work to set up this meeting,” Fries says. “I just sat there and watched it fall apart. There was a whole bunch of American attitude to the meeting, and the Japanese did not appreciate it.

“It was like watching a train wreck. It was like watching all this work I had done just fall apart.”

Bachus puts Square's lack of support for the Xbox down to a “self-reflecting problem”. “Square decided that with Final Fantasy it had been a good strategy to focus exclusively on one platform. You didn't see Final Fantasy on Nintendo, Sega and Sony. They decided it was going to be Nintendo and then they decided it was going to be Sony.

2Why Xbox failed in Japan Empty Re: Why Xbox failed in Japan 2012-12-14, 19:08

Metalzoic

Metalzoic

That's a lot of words just to say "Japan is dumb".

3Why Xbox failed in Japan Empty Re: Why Xbox failed in Japan 2012-12-14, 19:20

Pariah

Pariah

Meh. Japan is a very confusing and complex place, but I respect that sound, logical approach to work.

4Why Xbox failed in Japan Empty Re: Why Xbox failed in Japan 2012-12-14, 19:32

grader

grader

Well its probably a bit off topic but in the end Sony lost alot of market share and never made a cent.The PS3 didnt turn out to be the PS2,they arent the big guys anymore there's no vise like grip on the rest of the world..Japanese dev's didnt have the success they had last time around either,western dev's owned this gen.This might have hurt the Xbox in Japan but sony isnt SONY anymore and japan's devs arent as relevant as they once were,square enix isnt SQUARE ENIX if you know what I mean.Just my opinion.

5Why Xbox failed in Japan Empty Re: Why Xbox failed in Japan 2012-12-14, 20:04

Ron Swanson

Ron Swanson

grader wrote:Well its probably a bit off topic but in the end Sony lost alot of market share and never made a cent.The PS3 didnt turn out to be the PS2,they arent the big guys anymore there's no vise like grip on the rest of the world..Japanese dev's didnt have the success they had last time around either,western dev's owned this gen.This might have hurt the Xbox in Japan but sony isnt SONY anymore and japan's devs arent as relevant as they once were,square enix isnt SQUARE ENIX if you know what I mean.Just my opinion.

I agree Square used to make great games, now I really don't think they do.

6Why Xbox failed in Japan Empty Re: Why Xbox failed in Japan 2012-12-14, 20:07

Epyk MD

Epyk MD

Why Xbox failed in Japan Squaresoft_logo

Thats now i knew good shit was about to happen.

7Why Xbox failed in Japan Empty Re: Why Xbox failed in Japan 2012-12-14, 20:09

Ron Swanson

Ron Swanson

Epyk wrote:Why Xbox failed in Japan Squaresoft_logo

Thats now i knew good shit was about to happen.

lets make a short list

FF3 (6)
FF2 (4)
Chrono Trigger
Final Fantasy Tactics
FF7

5 square games that would still to this day go in my top 20 games of all time list

8Why Xbox failed in Japan Empty Re: Why Xbox failed in Japan 2012-12-14, 20:13

Epyk MD

Epyk MD

youre missing xenogears, secret of mana and secret of evermore.

9Why Xbox failed in Japan Empty Re: Why Xbox failed in Japan 2012-12-14, 20:16

Epyk MD

Epyk MD

id even go as far as saying xenogears was the best mother fucking game ever. in the history of ever.

10Why Xbox failed in Japan Empty Re: Why Xbox failed in Japan 2012-12-14, 20:23

JrTapia1991

JrTapia1991

alot of stuff sucks now compared to the old days

edit: what really hurt the PS3 was releasing a 600dollar console right when the economy tanked...

11Why Xbox failed in Japan Empty Re: Why Xbox failed in Japan 2012-12-14, 20:36

chunckylover53



Epyk wrote:id even go as far as saying xenogears was the best mother fucking game ever. in the history of ever.

I'll agree with that a bit. Bart was the fucking man.

12Why Xbox failed in Japan Empty Re: Why Xbox failed in Japan 2012-12-14, 20:55

StormEye

StormEye

Before even reading the article, I will have to comment (maybe its already in the article, but I have not read it yet).

Sony did not sell all that much PS3 in Japan, when comparing PS3 to 360, Sony DID sell whole bunch of PSP, which is basically now a mandated system for Japanese gamer, but not PS3.

One of the biggest stupid step PS3 has taken was that Sony decided that less power demanding software like "Idol Master" series, which is a system seller in Japan, were not allowed to be put onto the PS3. 360 gathered all those "rejected by Sony" titles, and absorbed whole bunch of potential buyers.

13Why Xbox failed in Japan Empty Re: Why Xbox failed in Japan 2012-12-14, 21:48

Duck

Duck

So the japanese will make a really stupid deal with a guy they've sung karaoke with but not a lucrative one with a rude american?

lol

14Why Xbox failed in Japan Empty Re: Why Xbox failed in Japan 2012-12-14, 23:22

MEGA MILK

MEGA MILK

StormEye wrote:Before even reading the article, I will have to comment (maybe its already in the article, but I have not read it yet).

Sony did not sell all that much PS3 in Japan, when comparing PS3 to 360, Sony DID sell whole bunch of PSP, which is basically now a mandated system for Japanese gamer, but not PS3.

One of the biggest stupid step PS3 has taken was that Sony decided that less power demanding software like "Idol Master" series, which is a system seller in Japan, were not allowed to be put onto the PS3. 360 gathered all those "rejected by Sony" titles, and absorbed whole bunch of potential buyers.

Those fuckers love their Miki.

15Why Xbox failed in Japan Empty Re: Why Xbox failed in Japan 2012-12-14, 23:23

Kenshiro

Kenshiro

Duck wrote:So the japanese will make a really stupid deal with a guy they've sung karaoke with but not a lucrative one with a rude american?

lol

Would you study with a local student who knows the customs where you live but is a bit of an idiot or a foreign exchange student who stumbles over the basics of American etiquette but knows much in your field of study?

Or to put it simply, would you pick a Korean guy to study math with over a friend you know personally for years?

16Why Xbox failed in Japan Empty Re: Why Xbox failed in Japan 2012-12-14, 23:26

chunckylover53



Korean, cause i know i'll have a shot at passing.

17Why Xbox failed in Japan Empty Re: Why Xbox failed in Japan 2012-12-15, 10:15

HydrasBreath ♜

HydrasBreath ♜

Epyk wrote:youre missing xenogears, secret of mana and secret of evermore.

Super Mario RPG anyone?

18Why Xbox failed in Japan Empty Re: Why Xbox failed in Japan 2012-12-15, 13:39

Ron Swanson

Ron Swanson

HydrasBreath wrote:
Epyk wrote:youre missing xenogears, secret of mana and secret of evermore.

Super Mario RPG anyone?

nailed it. I never played xenogears, but those other games were all premium quality.



Last edited by Ferris on 2012-12-15, 13:53; edited 1 time in total

19Why Xbox failed in Japan Empty Re: Why Xbox failed in Japan 2012-12-15, 13:52

Metalzoic

Metalzoic

Ferris wrote:
HydrasBreath wrote:
Epyk wrote:youre missing xenogears, secret of mana and secret of evermore.

Super Mario RPG anyone?

nailed it. I never played democrats, but those other games were all premium quality.

I play with democrats all the time. They seem to have the higher proportion of hot chicks.

20Why Xbox failed in Japan Empty Re: Why Xbox failed in Japan 2012-12-15, 13:55

Ron Swanson

Ron Swanson

Metalzoic wrote:
Ferris wrote:
HydrasBreath wrote:
Epyk wrote:youre missing xenogears, secret of mana and secret of evermore.

Super Mario RPG anyone?

nailed it. I never played democrats, but those other games were all premium quality.

I play with democrats all the time. They seem to have the higher proportion of hot chicks.

my kindle sucks ass for posting. it ninja corrects me all the fucking time

for example, it wanted the word ninja to be monks. I mean what the fuck?

21Why Xbox failed in Japan Empty Re: Why Xbox failed in Japan 2012-12-15, 16:35

Duck

Duck

MH wrote:
Duck wrote:So the japanese will make a really stupid deal with a guy they've sung karaoke with but not a lucrative one with a rude american?

lol

Would you study with a local student who knows the customs where you live but is a bit of an idiot or a foreign exchange student who stumbles over the basics of American etiquette but knows much in your field of study?

Or to put it simply, would you pick a Korean guy to study math with over a friend you know personally for years?

Well if my interaction with them was limited to signing a piece of paper and getting a better grade I think the choice is obvious

22Why Xbox failed in Japan Empty Re: Why Xbox failed in Japan 2012-12-16, 00:06

Kenshiro

Kenshiro

Duck wrote:
MH wrote:
Duck wrote:So the japanese will make a really stupid deal with a guy they've sung karaoke with but not a lucrative one with a rude american?

lol

Would you study with a local student who knows the customs where you live but is a bit of an idiot or a foreign exchange student who stumbles over the basics of American etiquette but knows much in your field of study?

Or to put it simply, would you pick a Korean guy to study math with over a friend you know personally for years?

Well if my interaction with them was limited to signing a piece of paper and getting a better grade I think the choice is obvious

You are investing more than a simple signature.

Events are simply one means of gauging others, which some countries prefer traditionally.

One of the rules of business communications is to be mindful of the traditions of others.

I think the saying was "When in Rome, do as the Romans do."

What do you think of when you see someone use a fork and knife reversed? Gripping them pointing out the bottom of their hands? Do you think "Wow, that guy is a moron, how does he not know how to use a fork and knife?"

Then apply the same to using chopsticks, or perhaps eating on the floor with hands, or slurping soup, or eating fish semen, or eating duck fetuses in eggs, or eating testes or uteri, or eating insects.

All of those things are normal in parts of the world, and using them with difficulty, or eating with even a bit of disgust, is picked up on by the locals.

23Why Xbox failed in Japan Empty Re: Why Xbox failed in Japan 2012-12-16, 00:10

Frostbyrn

Frostbyrn

Your lucky your not in NZ

Ive had to literally rub my nose against someone elses nose on numerous occasions

24Why Xbox failed in Japan Empty Re: Why Xbox failed in Japan 2012-12-16, 09:21

HydrasBreath ♜

HydrasBreath ♜

Frostbyrn wrote:Your lucky your not in NZ

Ive had to literally rub my nose against someone elses nose on numerous occasions

esquimo kisses? at least that's what rubbing your nose against someone else's means up here.

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