Started a War with those damn Programmers!

Lol the programmers will win

I hate to tell you this, but me (and like 90% of all coders) are fluent in networking shit haha.

do the PC's have two DVI /VGA slots? swap the cable to the secondary and see how long it takes them to work out why there is no picture

I'm rooting for the networkers here!

Here frost, do this...

http://9gag.com/gag/a9drxqW

I'm actually pretty terrible at networking. Then again, I've only been programming for about 2 years and a half +.

I do know the basics, but it's pretty boring for me, so I don't really bother with it.

Also, fuck you Frost. I only need my waifus ;__________________;

RStudios wrote:do the PC's have two DVI /VGA slots? swap the cable to the secondary and see how long it takes them to work out why there is no picture

Back in high school I used to swap the monitors of adjacent computers to confuse the hell out of people.

I also added auto correct rules in Word to change common words like "A" and "the" to "dildo".

Anyways without programmers your networks mean nothing. We are superior. Go ahead and stop "monitoring" networks and shit, we'll just google everything and figure it out.

I taught myself programming (BASIC actually) when I was 12, started freelancing for money at 17... I'm 28 now, So I have a fair deal of experience. Also had to manage 12 dedicated servers for a porn site for like a year, so networking is easy too

for porn frost, PORN.

he obviously knows what hes doing.

Damn awesome. Which porn site?

You started pretty young, so that really helps. A buddy of mine also started at that age if I recall correctly. I think I've learned pretty fast though, but I still have a lot to do. Currently learning about RESTful web services, since I'll soon have to program some APIs, and also started reading some Ruby. At the moment I can use about 10-13 technologies, from programming languages, to frameworks and databases, so I think I've been doing all right even if I started late. Still, the shit I have/want to learn juts piles up as if emulating my gaming backlog.

Videarn.com / imagearn.com and (filearn.com)

I'll have to study those sites. You know, for knowledge...

Did you have to program the annoying JavaScript publicity, or are there scripts already done for that? I swear, every porn site I've visited has that <_<

And overall, since you obviously have way more experience than I do, is there something in particular that you think is the most important part to a successful career in IT?

imagearn and videarn were already built, I just maintained them and added code changes, filearn i built from scratch in code-igniter PHP framework.

the javascript popups are from the media advertisers, I just tweaked the code a little for that site.

Successful career? HAHA, just know EVERYTHING. But a good start would be LAMP.... Linux, apache, mysql and PHP. That should get you places. Also knowing Javascript and ASP would be a help too.

If you already know javascript, learn Jquery. Make sure you are good with CSS, and pretty much everything you come across in the line of work, people kind of expect programmers to just know how everything works LMAO.

I had a slight advantage because I learnt c++ when i was very young, and after knowing that every other language is simple.

Stuff I do for a living frost, I cannot be bored with programing, I have to handle servers too

Seems good then, at the moment I know:
- ASP.NET with WebForms. MVC is in my backlog.
- VB.NET
- C#
- HTML (A bit of HTML5)
- CSS (Not much CSS3 at the moment)
- JavaScript
- JQuery, including using plugins.
- AJAX
- PHP 5+.
- Yii PHP Framework. Learned MVC here.
- MySQL 5+
- SQL Server 2005+
And of course, OOP to try and make my code half-decent.

I know my way around IIS, but I'm no expert, and have very little experience with Apache. I did have LAMP/XAMP in Ubuntu a while ago, but used it very little.

I'm very interested in Ruby, to use Ruby on Rails, and later Python and Django. I'd also like C and C++ since they are very useful apparently. So at the moment I'm stuck with RESTful web services and Ruby. The amount of stuff to read can get tiresome at times. Maybe I'll find some video tutorials...

And yes, people expect me to know everything. It's annoying.

Thanks for the input

Seems like a pretty solid start, but definatelty focus more on css3 and html5... thats whats used most now.

I personally dislike ruby, I do not see a need for it in a web environment (which is my core income). Also dont like Yii haha, but MVC is good to know, its best way to program things, my fav 2 being code igniter and laravel (PHP frameworks).

AJAX is better done via jquery (simpler and quicker). C# is nice but a pain in the ass unless its used for large applications. VB.net I wouldnt bother with, not many ppl use it. ASP is used quite a bit on ISS servers, but i personally hate it and wont even code for anyone unless the web server is linux haha.

I also assume you have learnt about sanitizing input and preventing SQL injection and cross site scripting?

I actually have Laravel as a second framework to use in PHP  I have yet to give it attention though. 

What is it that you dislike about Yii? I can't compare it to other frameworks since I haven't used others in PHP, so it would really help me to know if there's any particular reason, or just personal dislike. I didn't actually like it at first, I hated it. Right now, I'm indifferent, but it's really useful. Once I really master it I guess I'll like it, just like I really like ASP.NET, though I haven't used it for some months . The thing is, I really can't stand PHP. It's an incredibly shitty language in my opinion. An abomination. This guy explained many of my problems with it: http://me.veekun.com/blog/2012/04/09/php-a-fractal-of-bad-design/ . Also, some of the comments are spot on on why I hate it. I'd really like if another language took over as the most popular web programming language, either Python or Ruby I guess.

Anyway, AJAX, I always use with JQuery but can use it without it, and C#... I like it a lot and is widely used in ASP.NET, and really, anything Microsoft. VB.NET I just know it because it's still used in my country for legacy code so it's good to know it.

I do know about SQL injection and sanitizing input, and normally I just deal with it by simply HTML encoding whatever the user inputs in textboxes, and using parameter binding in my queries. It's less of a pain in the ass instead of having white/black lists. As for xss, I haven't really done much against it... isn't it just checking that an incoming request is from your own site? Or something...

Oh, and finally, I'm all right in HTML5 but haven't finished reading my book. I left it at some canvas stuff, at the half of the book. CSS3 is my next step, but since a buddy of mine is doing all of the client-side, I've been focusing on server side for the moment.

Look at these nerds

Don't worry Sym, you'll be talking with us about this shit in a couple of years.

I know.....

I was just joking, considering Im going to school for web development haha

I just dislike Yii, not really any reason. I just found the logic in its implementation a bit flawed as MVC, I'm too used to using other frameworks.

As for the PHP argument, I can understand especially if your new, thing you have to remember is, it was (and IMO is) one of the best and most flexible languages around. Sure it has it quirks and bugs and workarounds that you eventually get memorize lol, but as its progressed and using it in MVC it is now quite reliable.

Plus you have to remember alot of the original web developers (like myself) came from a pure programing background. And PHP is sooo similar to c++ it just makes it easy to code with. Get PHP in a MVC environment and its very powerful and useful. Also if you need something done fast and dirty, PHP can do that too lmao.

Now ASP.... reason I dont like ASP, is because its sooo different to what I'm used to and the syntax and variables take too much remembering, where other languages I just KNOW them.

Quick example on that... its bad enough debugging PHP code because a ; or ' or , is missing.... in ASP you also have to look see if accidentally put one : instead of two :: lol

Ruby wont make it mainstream into web development, it was just a gimmic. Ruby is good server side, but not for generating HTML lol. same with python, much better suited to server side roles

ASP (.NET at least, ASP classic is easy) has a ridiculous learning curve, so I can understand the dislike. However, it's incredibly good. PHP on the other hand, is like ASP classic, very easy to learn. But with incredibly shitty OOP.

And yeah, I agree. One of the few things I like about PHP is that it's relatively easy to set up. However, ASP.NET is easy to work with too. At least from what I've done. Not as easy as PHP, but still simple enough. Still, I can't stand PHP. The moment where I really thought "FUCK THIS", was when I wanted to check if a variable was a number. Had to try like 4 fucking different functions that did the same but each one with some stupid little difference. Pissed me off. In ASP I would just call one function, and it could have some overloads for different ways of calling it, or just pass a damn paramater, or SOMETHING. Still, I'm screwed because it's widely used so I HAVE to know it. I know Ruby and Python will never be popular, so I'm screwed and just gotta accept the darn thing.

Regarding Yii, I guess I may understand your point once I use Laravel in some project  I got some pet projects that I want to try where I could use Laravel, but whenever I get free time I try to read and game as much as possible and end up not doing programming

Programming vs Networking?

Around here we fight between Computer Engineers and the Programmers.

is_numeric()

Because is_int() fucks up if the var is in quotes or a string

Yeah, I think that's the one I ended up using. Can't remember. But  I do remember that I had another one first, however, if the fucking string contained a number (Ex: "aa123131"), it returned true.

Made me rage so hard.

Think PHP is bad? LOL. Wait till you have to code CSS for different browser web standards They all have there own webkits for experimental html5 stuff untill its finalised... and then theres the legacy internet explorer shit you have to add (but goggle IE html5 shim for that)

Also safari can be as much of a pain in the ass as IE can be

I've already worked a lot with CSS. I mad. Mostly, IE has been the center of my hatred. I just give support to IE8+ nowadays.

However, as long as you work with IE9+, the rest of the browsers work just as expected. If you want to use top of the line, experimental HTML5, well... yeah, obviously that will be a problem. But I understand the risks when I do that. I actually did some video + canvas (because FUCK flash) stuff a while back, to take pictures for a system in my university. It only worked in Chrome and FireFox, but it's all right since it's a very specific administrative task.

Overall, the only thing that I hate with CSS is IE 6, 7, and 8, but I no longer care about 6 and 7 unless it's explicitly needed. Safari seems to work with an almost identical webkit as Chrome's, so no problem there.

Thing is, atm I work for a guy that does alot of marketing work aimed at less affluent countries. so IE 6 or lower has to be cated for, and its a damn pain.

Safrias main problem is the floats, gotta have a really nice clearfix css, it defaults to some weird shit without it

I feel you man. If you HAVE to get it to work for IE 6 and 7... you poor bastard, may the Flying Spaghetti Monster touch your soul with his noodly appendage. And that table is a sad, sad, reality. One of the reasons I think Microsoft sucks. At least I like their development platforms <_<

Sup Zillah  Why the weird face?

Also, pic relevant:

If some of them have icons on their dekstop that they use:

- Take a print screen of the desktop while hiding the mouse cursor and making sure no icon is selected. 
- Save it somewhere safe and use it as background. 
- Proceed to remove the real icons from the desktop.
- Watch how they click and click their icons to no avail.