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Religion topic. By Mister Zombee

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Guest

Just noticed a lot of topics that have the "No Religion posts please" tags placed on them. That's fine. Other topics break out in religion debates. They go haywire.



What is the big deal with religion here? Is it not possible to mention religion without everyone posting ridiculous garbage about it one way or the other?



It exists. It has existed for a long time. You are not going to eliminate religion from the face of the planet. You are also not going to convince everyone that they should be religious.



So... I propose that we simply grow some thicker skin about this issue. It will be less stressful for us all. People are different. They have different beliefs. They are not stupid or less of a human being for having a different opinion than you.



From the Mods perspective. When a religion debate pops up, we all watch it closely knowing it's just a matter of posts before it gets locked down. That's just ridiculous. It is completely possible to have a civil discussion involving religion without going berserk.



Thoughts? I'll probably end up locking this topic down soon. Sadly.

Duck

Duck

Well you watch the topics and they generally do go berserk. We weren't initially like this, we just learned over time religious debates are a big no-no.

Guest


Guest

Shouldn't be though. I wonder how many SeCers are religious. I wouldn't dare ask them outright though. That would just stir up a mess. But I'm sure they feel restricted a bit.

asdf

asdf

THANK YOU MILLS!

Jesus, I joined this forum because it was all about gaming and off-topic discussion. Why the hell does anyone need to share their opinions about religion? It's a personal choice for f*cks sake!

/end rant

asdf

asdf

Bear Ass wrote:Shouldn't be though. I wonder how many SeCers are religious. I wouldn't dare ask them outright though. That would just stir up a mess. But I'm sure they feel restricted a bit.

I bet a good amount of us are or were. I know of a few. The problem is the mass media and the way they portray any kind of religion. Believe it or not, most of us shut up and leave you alone.

JrTapia1991

JrTapia1991

I know what you mean,it's like it's a big no no to even mention the word religion around here.

Like in the Harry Potter universe it's like mentioning Voldemort >__>

Most of the people I've talked to on here were atheist or came off as atheist.I dunno how that would be bad to ask people.Sometimes I cross myself between atheist and agnostic just because of my childhood.I hope in the back of my mind there's something after death,makes me sad this life is all there is,then at the end of the day I know there's probably nothing after death.

see that was civil Smile

Guest


Guest

I brought up religion once and was PMed to death by a certain SeCer and bashed. It was nice that it was done by PMs, but still it was ridiculous.

1fnbighen

1fnbighen

my thoughts on religion

life is very cruel. many times people will have no "real" place to turn to.

. 1 million plus people putting faith in something makes it real to those people

having something to beleive in when all is lost gives man reason to carry on.

religion provides ideals to live by, and most of them are good ideals. for example whether you like it or not the 10 commandments are pretty locked into us law.

its very frowned upon to commit suicide in the christian church. probably one of the number one deterants of offing yourself

without hope man has no drive, no reason to succeed. religion is probably one of the major reasons people go out of their way to do good. with religios faith someone might not abandon his family or not rob a bank, cheat, steal, etc

thats why imo the early 1500's colonist wanted to spread religion. its an easy way to say they obey law

differences in religion is fultile to me. if a man has faith in something he has reason do good. he has reason not to be lawless. he has a drive that makes him a better man.

thats my view on religion

Metalzoic

Metalzoic

For the same reasons that religion and politics are topics that should not be brought up at work or in mixed company.

They're founded in deep emotional beliefs. Even not believing is a deep personal belief whether you like it or not. Whether atheist or mormon, you've made a choice and are a believer in your choice.

That's why they break down to "You're wrong, I'm right" "That belief is stupid" "You are stupid for believing that" "How could anyone think that way" etc, etc...

When people feel that the core of their belief is challenged it is hard for them to remain rational and try to see something from someone else's point of view.





Ante

Ante

This issue isn't exclusive to the SeC Mills. You talk religion or politics ANYWHERE on the internet and chances are, it boils down to either a pissing contest or vile insults strewn at eachother.

Forums are a much happier place without religious and political debates.





If you guys really want to rant and rave at eachother, why don't you make a subforum specifically for this purpose?

JrTapia1991

JrTapia1991

yea a subforum would be cool if anybody wanted to talk about it.Make it "enter at your own risk" Razz and no QQing Razz

1fnbighen

1fnbighen

a forum called the coliseum where sec'ers get live chat updates and voice messages and a program where the opponents computer explodes if the other trashes him enough

Ante

Ante

1fnbighen wrote:a forum called the coliseum where sec'ers get live chat updates and voice messages and a program where the opponents computer explodes if the other trashes him enough


Religion topic. By Mister Zombee Okwiththis

JrTapia1991

JrTapia1991

politics is too boring to bother with a subforum Razz

asdf

asdf

If I had my way everyone would have a computer chip planted in their brains at birth. As soon as you started discussing religion outside of religious service or something similar, it'd knock you out cold for an hour.

JrTapia1991

JrTapia1991

Is it ok to talk about the Spaghetti Monster?Smile

asdf

asdf

JrTapia1991 wrote:Is it ok to talk about the Spaghetti Monster?Smile

Religion topic. By Mister Zombee Images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTxXsSUj9q7o5ycxxvvJ6pERi60eP8zO8GBIi9MFL7M9NwP6DMc

JrTapia1991

JrTapia1991

RAmen to all:)

Guest


Guest

It doesnt need a subforum. It's not a hot topic. Just dont flip out if someone says they're religious.



I know it's everywhere. That doesnt make it okay.



We are leaving out, what could be, a great part of a discussion.



It doesnt need to be huge, but if someone says "God" or "Christian" dont beat them down for it. Christianity is not the only religion either. Yet it is the one that takes most of the crap.



We probably have some Muslims or Buddhists or any number of beliefs here.

JrTapia1991

JrTapia1991

yeah it can be an interesting convo....even politics if anybody wanted to.I'm too lazy tho lol

Guest


Guest

It just shouldn't be high alert when it's brought up is all I'm saying.

D



Friends who want to stay friends, don't discuss religion or politics.

TexasMace

TexasMace

My pie-hole is shut.

Guest


Guest

To each his own I suppose.

Guest


Guest

D00MSDAY DEVICE wrote:Friends who want to stay friends, don't discuss religion or politics.





Bringing it up out of nowhere can be awkward I admit. But flipping out when a user mentions it is just as much if not more awkward. Awkwarder even...

D



I've never seen a discussion about religion or politics have a happy ending.

I'm not religious, but I have my own beliefs that I carry with me, but I never discuss them. Never saw a reason to.

I'm not into politics at all. I don't vote, I don't care who the president is or any of that stuff.

Metal put it best, these discussions degrade into "I'm right, you're wrong". If people are discussing these issues with the express purpose of who's right and who's wrong then I feel like they are kind of missing the point of a discussion.

Guest


Guest

All debates are boiled down to "I'm right. You're wrong." though.



I'm not political either. I come from a religious family though. Even though I don't consider my self a religious person I have an open mind about it. Really open minded about anything.







We mention a lot of stuff here that I dont agree with. Some of which may really tick me off too. But I don't bash the person who said it. I just see it from a different perspective than they do.



Obviously offensive issues need to be dealt with. But Religion and politics arent offensive.

Epyk MD

Epyk MD

Im Agnostic. So I personally have no issues with religious based topics. My problem stems from the account suicides and hard feelings they create.

The "no QQ" board would be fun to read as an lurker though >.>

JrTapia1991

JrTapia1991

haha kinda like our version of /n on 4chan Razz

I swear dude,reading that thing will rot your brain.It's the bathroom stall of the internet

Guest


Guest

Epyk wrote:Im Agnostic. So I personally have no issues with religious based topics. My problem stems from the account suicides and hard feelings they create.

The "no QQ" board would be fun to read as an lurker though >.>





I respect that. And as a result, you won't get a religion topic from me again.



I think this topic has gone on long enough. If anyone wants to chime in, cool. But I will lock it before I leave work today. The nightshift SeC will probably kill this topic.

MEGA MILK

MEGA MILK

Epyk wrote:Im Agnostic. So I personally have no issues with religious based topics. My problem stems from the account suicides and hard feelings they create.

The "no QQ" board would be fun to read as an lurker though >.>

"If it's too hot, get out of the kitchen." That's more or less how I feel about it.

You're the boss, though.

Cubist Castle

Cubist Castle

-People need to grow thicker skins.
-People also need to try to be less offensive while expressing their opinions, if it's a sensitive subject.

I see no harm in political or religious discussions, as long as one doesn't resort to labeling a whole system of beliefs or group of people as _____. Because that's when things get ugly.

D



While that may true, it should be more about "here's what I think, here's what you think.".

People get hung up on right/wrong as if there is only one way to go about something.

These people are usually set in their ways so I feel discussion is pointless.

Whenever I get into a situation where I can see it's going down the road of a pointless back and forth I do the following.

Me: *Says whatever I'm thinking about a subject
Person: *Says what they are thinking about a subject that is different/opposite than what I said.
Me: Aren't opinions awesome?

Life goes on, subject gets changed and no arguments break out.

Once someone says something opposite of what you feel our instincts tell us that we have to keep at it to prove that we are right or something. It's kind of a primitive mindset imo. But I understand it, I just can't bring myself to go down that road with people.

Life is too short to argue about stuff that ultimately doesn't affect me.

Grey

Grey

I pray to the Jug of Milk:

Skip to 2:30.
Spoiler:

Wacco



HAL 9000 wrote:
I see no harm in political or religious discussions, as long as one doesn't resort to labeling a whole system of beliefs or group of people as _____. Because that's when things get ugly.

This. I like religious/political discussions. Hell, I have a hard time not starting them because I love debating/arguing so much. However, when people start generalizing about a religious group I just get angry. It's ridiculous (and ignorant really) to say a whole group of people is something that they're not.

1fnbighen

1fnbighen

if you can believe in something and thats what gets you up in the morning the next day then its fine by me

Metalzoic

Metalzoic

HAL 9000 wrote:
-People also need to try to be less offensive while expressing their opinions, if it's a sensitive subject.

This exactly, but it seems to be impossible for some people to do.

For example: We explained this to Tom many, many, many times, but he couldn't even understand what we were telling him, let alone do it.

Guest


Guest

Grey is proving why we need a topic like this.

Khfan60

Khfan60

Sooo... what ever happened to the S/R/P board?

Guest


Guest

It wasn't really used. And when it was used, it was just a bashfest.

Cubist Castle

Cubist Castle

IIRC, it was mostly just "S."

1fnbighen

1fnbighen

what was the srp board

Cubist Castle

Cubist Castle

Sex, religion, politics.

1fnbighen

1fnbighen

oh ya i remember it was msotly sex becuase somepeople coulnt handle it.

take out the s part and it could be fine or just leave it we dont need a subforum for everything

Guest


Guest

Personally I like the sex topics. I had a good issue about sex I meant to post, but forgot what it was. I'll have to rack my brain.

Admin

Admin

im not saying you guys cant make them.

im just saying if you stay out of em if theyll make you turn into a opinion monger

http://www.speakeasyclinic.com

ALargeEffinFry

ALargeEffinFry

In my opinion, if we can't discuss anything civilly, then that's just sad. Most of us here like each other. And the ones that don't like other members, just use the old saying "if you can't say anything nice don't say anything at all". I mean you know who you get a long with and don't get a long with, so if someone you don't get a long with post something you disagree with, then either state your point in a non confrontational manner, or leave it alone.

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ALargeEffinFry wrote:In my opinion, if we can't discuss anything civilly, then that's just sad. Most of us here like each other. And the ones that don't like other members, just use the old saying "if you can't say anything nice don't say anything at all". I mean you know who you get a long with and don't get a long with, so if someone you don't get a long with post something you disagree with, then either state your point in a non confrontational manner, or leave it alone.





Indeed.

Ars Diaboli

Ars Diaboli

Ok, I'll start by saying something good about it.

Churches are an architectural marvel. Mind you, not the shitty small ones, but the fucking big catedrals and the like. Seriously, beautiful buildings.

Music. There's plenty of damn good music, and musicians inspired by a religious faith. Specifically a catholic or christian one. I'm talking about baroque, classical, etc. I love Bach's chorales, for example. As for contemporary... yeah that's kind of like the other side of the coin, so for the sake of this being good points about it, I'll not talk about contemporary religious music.

Of course, I'm talking just about catholic and christian, which is what I grew up with. And when I think about it, even if there was no church or religions, humans would find reasons and ways to kill each other anyway. Probably.

Kitsune

Kitsune

As far as my beliefs go:

I believe there is a supreme being/force in the world. What it does and how it works, I'm not 100% sure. I keep an open mind to anything, and do my best to make sense of things that I see/hear/read. I try to eliminate coincidences, but look for things that are common in different parts of the world from cultures that were never together, and see if they are more than coincidence. I love to research both science and religion, and figure out how the world works. But the way I still look at it, is that whether you were right or wrong about either, in the end you will die anyways, so it's trivial to fight over.

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