California's case for violent video games in the surpreme court is tomorrow.

They basically want violent video games to be treated as porno and be restricted from selling to minors.

Link that explains a lot more on the case: http://kotaku.com/5678354/all-you-need-to-know-about-this-weeks-violent-video-game-case-in-the-us-supreme-court

ima be all kinds of pissed if this gets passed..... and right before black ops :'(

Just what this country needs: the government serving as parents.

Video games don't make me kill people, stupid people trying to ban them and being fucktards makes me find them and stab the repeatedly with a knife. If this law seriously does pass I will make it my life goal to torture the person who made this the law. I HATE the government and everything so much right now.

And another thing, couldn't someone just buy it off of ebay or craigslist??????

AND sorry for the triple post lol but couldn't the parent buying it for the kid just say that they aren't buying for their kid???

Well if a parent buys it for their kid it should still be all good right?

Some underage kid asked me to buy BF: BC2 for him a couple of weeks ago and I said no.

I felt bad, but I did the right thing.

I saw on the news about a month ago about this kid who died from racing a motorcycle at 100mph, he was only 10 and it was on an actual track and everything. You would think that if they wanted to protect people and act like parents they would make that sport illegal instead of making sitting on your couch and pressing buttons illegal/treated like porn. And you did do the right thing D.

Yeah, as far as I can tell, a parent could still buy this for their kid, right? At least that's what I'm getting out of it. So it's basically just putting the power into the parent's hands, instead of the store's.

I can't see this working though -- how the heck would they ever be able to decide what constituted a violent video game? The game industry would raise hell.

I'm not looking at whether or not media creates violence in kids at all, I'm just curious as to how they would enforce this.

Where I live stores don't sell M rated games to kids anyways.

Yeah, I get carded buying games. They won't let anyone underage buy them anyways, so what exactly does this change?

Or is it not like that everywhere?

I think it's supposed to be like that but not everyone does it.

The real problem is going to be the "Disney"izing of content if this were to happen. You can probably forget games like Bulletstorm being released if this goes into effect. Publishers would be too worried about retailers not being able to sell them.

They want to treat them like X-rated movies, so you can forget stores like Gamestop or Best Buy or anyone for that matter carrying them.

I wish every state would actually adopt this. That way I wouldn't have as much of a chance of listening to squealing children on LIVE.

I don't know, I can't see somewhere like GameStop not selling the games just because kids can't buy them -- there is still a demand for them.

It won't hurt too much considering a good portion of people who buy video games are over 17 years old anyways.

Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. Dumb that the government has to parent peoples' kids on this kind of thing, but it's not like it's going to hurt anything.

Well, anything that still slows the kiddies from getting LIVE would be great. I think that if you should have to take an IQ test to play LIVE, personally, but an age barrier would be rather nice too.

An IQ test for Live?

C'mon dude.

If they're banned from sale to minors, that means there will be legal restrictions on selling them. I imagine in a lot of cases, this will be too much hassle for retailers. Furthermore, I can see a lot of developers simply forsaking mature content for ease of sale.

^That's what the zone thing is for already.

Arcot 'Thorny' Ramathorn wrote:^That's what the zone thing is for already.

But it doesn't work. I've tried putting it on "Family" and "Recreational" , so I could get easier opponents to kill, and I've tried "Pro" and "Underground" for better teammates, no such luck. And yes, I think that if you should have to take an IQ test; you would paired with/against people of an equal intelligence level to you (disregarding parties, of course)

Does that zone thing even make a difference? I'm in recreational, but to me it doens't mean anything. I wasn't aware that it put you in a player category.

There is kind of a background thing to the case. A crux of the argument for the ban is that: Video games are not an artistic expres​sion(or something like that). Movies can get away with violence (300,Saw) because it's considered a form of artistic expression, and 1st amendment rights cover artistic expression. Games are rated for a reason, and as a parent, and don't get why parents just do not want to BE parents. My mother made a effort to make sure she knew what games I was playing while I was growing up, and continued to monitor my games since my brother a sister are younger. Games today are different, but banning them won't stop parents (or older friends) from buying them. It'll be like buying alcohol, it will be illegal for kids under 18 (maybe 17) to have "violent games", with punishment for a 3rd party purchase or said game. Just like buying alcohol or cigarettes.

ConciliarFox wrote:There is kind of a background thing to the case. A crux of the argument for the ban is that: Video games are not an artistic expres​sion(or something like that). Movies can get away with violence (300,Saw) because it's considered a form of artistic expression, and 1st amendment rights cover artistic expression. Games are rated for a reason, and as a parent, and don't get why parents just do not want to BE parents. My mother made a effort to make sure she knew what games I was playing while I was growing up, and continued to monitor my games since my brother a sister are younger. Games today are different, but banning them won't stop parents (or older friends) from buying them. It'll be like buying alcohol, it will be illegal for kids under 18 (maybe 17) to have "violent games", with punishment for a 3rd party purchase or said game. Just like buying alcohol or cigarettes.

I do agreee with this.

So is it basically going to be illegal for someone to buy a game for someone who's underage, like alcohol? Cause that clears it up some.

ConciliarFox wrote:There is kind of a background thing to the case. A crux of the argument for the ban is that: Video games are not an artistic expres​sion(or something like that). Movies can get away with violence (300,Saw) because it's considered a form of artistic expression, and 1st amendment rights cover artistic expression. Games are rated for a reason, and as a parent, and don't get why parents just do not want to BE parents. My mother made a effort to make sure she knew what games I was playing while I was growing up, and continued to monitor my games since my brother a sister are younger. Games today are different, but banning them won't stop parents (or older friends) from buying them. It'll be like buying alcohol, it will be illegal for kids under 18 (maybe 17) to have "violent games", with punishment for a 3rd party purchase or said game. Just like buying alcohol or cigarettes.

This is exactly what it sounds like to me also.

Eh, this law doesn't mean too much IMO.

a lot of game stores enforce ESRB's age ratings anyways.

Tbqh, I don't really care either way, because no matter what, I pretty much win on this court case.

If it isn't really enforced, then I guess kids get more freedom.

If it is, hopefully I won't have to listen to as many little children on LIVE.

lol carded to buy video games


that didn't even happen to me when I was underage.

JDM_Jev wrote:lol carded to buy video games


that didn't even happen to me when I was underage.

Haha, I still get carded. I get carded to go see/buy rated R movies too. Lame.

Mrs. Terry of Hat wrote:

JDM_Jev wrote:lol carded to buy video games


that didn't even happen to me when I was underage.

Haha, I still get carded. I get carded to go see/buy rated R movies too. Lame.

You know you secretly like it.

Kitsune no Kaji wrote:Tbqh, I don't really care either way, because no matter what, I pretty much win on this court case.

If it isn't really enforced, then I guess kids get more freedom.

If it is, hopefully I won't have to listen to as many little children on LIVE.

What about me.

T-800 wrote:

Kitsune no Kaji wrote:Tbqh, I don't really care either way, because no matter what, I pretty much win on this court case.

If it isn't really enforced, then I guess kids get more freedom.

If it is, hopefully I won't have to listen to as many little children on LIVE.

What about me.

Can't you just have your parent's buy you games? Just give them money and they'll buy it for you on the way back from work or something?

Kitsune no Kaji wrote:

T-800 wrote:

Kitsune no Kaji wrote:Tbqh, I don't really care either way, because no matter what, I pretty much win on this court case.

If it isn't really enforced, then I guess kids get more freedom.

If it is, hopefully I won't have to listen to as many little children on LIVE.

What about me.

Can't you just have your parent's buy you games? Just give them money and they'll buy it for you on the way back from work or something?

Nah I order all my games online so it does not really matter for me. But I am not sure if my mom will let me have them anymore.

Mrs. Terry of Hat wrote:

JDM_Jev wrote:lol carded to buy video games


that didn't even happen to me when I was underage.

Haha, I still get carded. I get carded to go see/buy rated R movies too. Lame.

They probably just do it because they're lonely.

Half the time I buy games they don't even look up from whatever magazine they're reading.

I honestly do not think it will past just because if it is then there will be a ban basically on all violent media including music, movies, and the internet. I do not think all those industries will back down on this plus this case was already turned down twice by lower courts.

Stores enforce the ESRB, which is really just a guide for parents, and any deviance from that is handled buy that particular retailer. Going back to the alcohol comparison. Like Epyk, I work for a convenience store chain (I'm the night manager, more or less) and have to handle cigarettes and alcohol sales (I'll be honest, it really isn't that hard), but because the government puts the limitation on those particular items they can enforce it. They send stings to stores to make sure we aren't selling to minors, the fine start at 25,000 (IIRC) and I face jail time for selling to minors. People buying for minors face the same punishment.

JDM_Jev wrote:

Mrs. Terry of Hat wrote:

JDM_Jev wrote:lol carded to buy video games


that didn't even happen to me when I was underage.

Haha, I still get carded. I get carded to go see/buy rated R movies too. Lame.

They probably just do it because they're lonely.

Half the time I buy games they don't even look up from whatever magazine they're reading.

Maybe it's just because I'm female then, lol. I always get random conversation and then get carded.

ConciliarFox wrote:Stores enforce the ESRB, which is really just a guide for parents, and any deviance from that is handled buy that particular retailer. Going back to the alcohol comparison. Like Epyk, I work for a convenience store chain (I'm the night manager, more or less) and have to handle cigarettes and alcohol sales (I'll be honest, it really isn't that hard), but because the government puts the limitation on those particular items they can enforce it. They send stings to stores to make sure we aren't selling to minors, the fine start at 25,000 (IIRC) and I face jail time for selling to minors. People buying for minors face the same punishment.

This is exactly why I didn't buy BC2 for the kid that asked me to do it for him.

Drugs are bad mkay... buying violent games for kids is bad too mkay....

I really think the whole violence in video games is overblown for the most part. Sure, an 8 year old probably shouldn't be playing something like Manhunt, but a 15 year old? Some of the age limits are stupid.

I really think it should be looked at on a kid by kid basis.

I grew up on all of the violent stuff and I'm just fine.

Ok guys this is what happened on the first day in court.

Click me.

Interesting.

I predict California will suffer some epic fail.

This will never pass. Each persons views on what is "obscene" is subject to that persons opinion, and opinions are just that, an OPINION. I'm truly surprised that the Supreme Court even agreed to hearing this out. Yes there are games out there that are incredibly violent, but that is the reason the ESRB was formed, to help inform parents of what to expect.

It's retarded parents that cause issues, not the games. If they don't want their children playing them then don't buy them, or put limitations on the gaming consoles for what games can be played and what games can't. There is a setting in there for a reason.

God I hate narrow minded people.