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Rock Music Appreciation Thread

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1Rock Music Appreciation Thread Empty Rock Music Appreciation Thread 2010-09-03, 00:32

Wacco



Hip Hop has one, why not Rock? Which, not to start an argument, is better than hip hop IMO. What kind of rock do you guys listen to? Lately, I've been in kind of a grungy, 90's music type phase. Temple of the Dog is a great grunge 90's band, too bad they were only a tribute band and made 1 album.

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Duck

Duck

I don't care much for 90's rock/grunge. All sounds like Nickelback to me.

I like 70s rock and 80s thrash metal. I don't really like any bands that became popular in the 90s or 2000's

Dropped Da Soap

Dropped Da Soap

KISS, Queen, Styx, Journey, Twisted Sister, Quiet Riot. All some of my favs.

Wacco



Ducksaws wrote:I don't care much for 90's rock/grunge. All sounds like Nickelback to me.

I like 70s rock and 80s thrash metal. I don't really like any bands that became popular in the 90s or 2000's

Don't you ever compare grunge to Nickelback. That's like saying all 80's thrash metal sounds like Slipknot.

Majora1988

Majora1988

XFD!

No kidding, the depth of difference between say...Soundgarden and Nickelback is as a great chasm.

I like everything rock tbqh.

Name a band and I probably like it....except for Nickleback or Def Leppard.

Wacco



Majora1988 wrote:XFD!

No kidding, the depth of difference between say...Soundgarden and Nickelback is as a great chasm.

I like everything rock tbqh.

Name a band and I probably like it....except for Nickleback or Def Leppard.

Nickelback doesn't count as rock tbh. Or music at all really.

Majora1988

Majora1988

Wacco wrote:
Majora1988 wrote:XFD!

No kidding, the depth of difference between say...Soundgarden and Nickelback is as a great chasm.

I like everything rock tbqh.

Name a band and I probably like it....except for Nickleback or Def Leppard.

Nickelback doesn't count as rock tbh. Or music at all really.

lol, nice.

Dropped Da Soap

Dropped Da Soap

Nickelback had one good song....ONE.

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Keyser Söze

Keyser Söze

Frostbyrn

Frostbyrn

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BLOODY COPY AND PASTE HAS BETRAYED ME FOR THE LAST TIME!

Keyser Söze

Keyser Söze

I'm ashamed to say that I have actually seen these guys live...

Guest


Guest

McLusky. Listening to these guys makes me want to rampage.

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IF I HAD TO GIVE YOU SOMETHING THEN I THINK I'D GIVE YOU NOTHING!
IF I HAD TO GIVE YOU SOMETHING THEN I THINK I'D GO TO HELL!


edit: That's not the actual album cover. That looks like some lame-ass Ed Hardy artwork. Fuck that guy.

DRGN LRD 1213

DRGN LRD 1213

Greg! HAHA I like some of Twisted Sisters stuff.

ConciliarFox

ConciliarFox

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Duck

Duck

Basic Spectrum of my musical taste...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5le92UmPmU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6S9oqJRclo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0XLKcMoXRE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9d4ui9q7eDM

Chewy

Chewy

i mostly only listen to post rock and then a lot of genres with it infused into it when it comes to rock, with some exceptions of course.

if you don't know what post rock is here is an example:





there's also this smaller band that i like called Groovatron that calls themselves "schizophrenic rock" due to the fact that they pretty much change genres mid song multiple times:




oh yeah and i like several jam bands if that counts as rock

ConciliarFox

ConciliarFox

Rock covers ALOT of ground:

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Wacco



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BLOODY COPY AND PASTE HAS BETRAYED ME FOR THE LAST TIME!

Really? Sum 41? Don't post that. I had respect for you Frost.

Also, I'm pumped for Seattle's music festival this weekend, Bumbershoot. Gonna see Bob Dylan, Weezer, Rise Against, a few others when I look at who's going again. I wanted to see Japandroids, but I don't have tickets for that day Sad

Erkeric

Erkeric

Im more into alternative rock

Coldplay and pearl jam being two of my favorite bands

Duck

Duck

"Freedom
is not free, but the U.S. Marine Corps will pay most of your share."


I don't get this quote. Besides WW2 and a few scattered terrorist attacks, we haven't needed the marines to protect the homefront since the war of 1812. Is this quote supposed to be addressing people we liberate across the world? Cause really, every war since World War 2 has had nothing to do with protecting American freedom.

Erkeric

Erkeric

Wars like Korea and Vietnam were protecting our freedom, but its in a way that you have to really consider the facts and put yourself in the past w.o thinking of the outcome. With those wars, you didnt know what was going to happen if the communists win. That was the whole point of trying to stop the communist "empire" from expanding, you didnt know where it would stop. Sure, not much happened after Vietnam was lost and that is part of the reason people dont think about it as protecting our freedom, but it was an attempt at a way to stop communism from spreading.

And about the quote. I believe it is talking about the time when we were still fighting for our freedom and fighting to increase our influence in the world which hasnt happened in a long time I will give you that, but when we do fight for our freedom, the Marines play a major role despite their low budget and numbers. Also a major part of the Marine Corp is the history of it. Marines have a large amount of pride in their heritage and that is why the Marine Corp birthday is so important to them.

Wacco



Ducksaws wrote:"Freedom
is not free, but the U.S. Marine Corps will pay most of your share."


I don't get this quote. Besides WW2 and a few scattered terrorist attacks, we haven't needed the marines to protect the homefront since the war of 1812. Is this quote supposed to be addressing people we liberate across the world? Cause really, every war since World War 2 has had nothing to do with protecting American freedom.

Great, another jerk who doesn't appreciate the troops. You can hate war, but don't blame it on the marines.

Erkeric

Erkeric

There is so many of them on the MOH forums I stopped going there =(

Keyser Söze

Keyser Söze

Wacco



zk50 x erk wrote:There is so many of them on the MOH forums I stopped going there =(

I don't understand it tbqfh. How can you be angry at the troops? Did we learn nothing from Vietnam?

Guest


Guest

I think he was talking about how there were troop-haters on the forums?

Anyway. Hate the war, not the soldier. He's there so you don't have to be.

Dropped Da Soap

Dropped Da Soap

How did this topic go from Rock music, to Marines?

Also. My Uncle is a Marine and was hit by an I.E.D about a month and a 1/2 ago. And he is already back out there again.

Erkeric

Erkeric

Yea Ive heard of a lot of people in the military that dont want to leave it. Like in WW2, some people would get injured and they wouldnt want to be sent back to field hospitals because that would mean leaving their buddies on the line. For most of the people, its a brotherhood that is hard to leave.

Frostbyrn

Frostbyrn

This is the SeC man

Duck

Duck

Hey don't get me wrong, I don't hate the marines or the army or anything. I think it's great that they're brave and fight.

And about Korea and Vietnam, we pretty much lost both of those wars. At least we kept South Korea from being eaten up by communism (which I guess means we won because that was supposed to be our goal) but Korea was pretty much divided the same exact way before the war.

Vietnam we pretty much all out lost. There is no more south Vietnam, and I don't know if it's communist or not anymore, I have no idea, but all I know is that there was no great consequence for us losing.

All that cold war communism paranoia was a load of bull. Sure, there was a threat from the soviets nuking us if worst came to worst, but it was really unnecessary to be fighting communism itself. If people want to be communist, let them have the freedom to do it. If they get an oppresive dictator, they can revolt and overthrow him. The governed will always outnumber the governing.


Great, another jerk who doesn't appreciate the troops. You can hate war, but don't blame it on the marines.

No... I appreciate troops when they're needed. I just disagree with all the people who have a hard on for the army at all times and spew "You don't appreciate the sacrifice they're making for you!!!!" when they're all volunteers fighting an unnecessary war that was started from a combination of fear of nonexistent WMDs, Bush 2's fear of being the same as his dad, and oil concerns. Unrelated completely to American freedom.

Wacco



Ducksaws wrote:Hey don't get me wrong, I don't hate the marines or the army or anything. I think it's great that they're brave and fight.

And about Korea and Vietnam, we pretty much lost both of those wars. At least we kept South Korea from being eaten up by communism (which I guess means we won because that was supposed to be our goal) but Korea was pretty much divided the same exact way before the war.

Vietnam we pretty much all out lost. There is no more south Vietnam, and I don't know if it's communist or not anymore, I have no idea, but all I know is that there was no great consequence for us losing.

All that cold war communism paranoia was a load of bull. Sure, there was a threat from the soviets nuking us if worst came to worst, but it was really unnecessary to be fighting communism itself. If people want to be communist, let them have the freedom to do it. If they get an oppresive dictator, they can revolt and overthrow him. The governed will always outnumber the governing.


Great, another jerk who doesn't appreciate the troops. You can hate war, but don't blame it on the marines.

No... I appreciate troops when they're needed. I just disagree with all the people who have a hard on for the army at all times and spew "You don't appreciate the sacrifice they're making for you!!!!" when they're all volunteers fighting an unnecessary war that was started from a combination of fear of nonexistent WMDs, Bush 2's fear of being the same as his dad, and oil concerns. Unrelated completely to American freedom.

Btw, Vietnam is still communist. I just had to do a big project on Vietnam last year. And sorry for coming off pretty rudely, I just always get angry because where I live, there are lots of people who are complete jerks to the troops who come back.

Back to the original topic, last night I just saw the Maldives, Civil Twilight, Decembrists, Edward Sharp and the Magnetic Zeroes, and Bob Dylan. Pretty great night, round 2 today. I know I'm gonna see Weezer, haven't really thought about who else.

Erkeric

Erkeric

You can't say we lost Korea. We did what we tried to do there, to stop the spread of communism. And with that said, the communism paranoia and the actions we took to stop the spread was the best ways to protect the freedom of the citizens at the time. They didn't know that loosing Vietnam would not greatly effect the us. Also one major part of Vietnam was trying to keep the south from being taken over because the people there did not want to become communist.


And about the volunteerism part of the military. They are volunteering so you don't have to be drafted. You still sign up to be drafted when you turn 18. The government has the ability to start a draft, but they don't need to because of the amount of volunteers. So saying that because they are volunteers, they don't deserve respect is just stupid. And the wmds they were searching for was for the protection of the US and the interests of it. If sadam had wmds and had used them, the people of the us would be like "what the fuck bush? Why didn't you do anything" But since he did react
to something that was not known if true at the time he gets shit for it.

Also my quote was from a year or 2 after ww2 which almost half the war was won through the actions of the Marine Corp and the navy so yes, I'd say the marine corp has a very strong influence on the wellbeing/freedom of the citizens of the US.

Duck

Duck

And about the volunteerism part of the military. They are volunteering
so you don't have to be drafted. You still sign up to be drafted when
you turn 18. The government has the ability to start a draft, but they
don't need to because of the amount of volunteers.

I really doubt this. Maybe for a war like Vietnam, everybody back then was scared shitless of Soviet Russia, and communism=soviet russia. Therefor the government treated Vietnam like it was as serious as a war with the soviet union and decided it was serious enough for a draft. Even so, there was still a TON of rallying against Vietnam (And I don't get why people hated against people who wanted the war to end, they were protesting the war so the soldiers wouldn't have to risk their lives, and people acted like they were disrespecting the soldiers)

If the government tried to institute a draft for this war, which practically no one supports, there would be a referendum or something to stop. There's no way it would happen.

So saying that
because they are volunteers, they don't deserve respect is just stupid.


The point isn't that. The point is that instead of being soldiers who were forced out of their homes for the necessity of defending the freedom of America (like WW2 GIs), they're volunteers to go fight for government interests in the Middle East. I can say I know very few people who actually joined the war to "do the right thing" or "defend their country". Most people I've known that signed up couldn't get into college or find a job with today's economy, so they joined the army as a last resort kind of thing.


And the wmds they were searching for was for the protection of the US
and the interests of it. If sadam had wmds and had used them, the people
of the us would be like "what the fuck bush? Why didn't you do
anything" But since he did react
to something that was not known if true at the time he gets shit for it.


We confirmed there were no WMDs like years ago. I'm not saying the war was never necessary, because Saddam could've easily had WMDs. But we should've taken him out for being a threat to our security, looked for the weapons, and then come back home when we found out there were no weapons.

This whole "try to institute democratic principles and have the less advanced nations train their own army" thing never works. We tried Vietnamization in the Vietnam War to have the South Vietnamese protect themselves after we left. Seoul fell to the NVA like a week after we left. It just doesn't work. We try to step into countries and fix their problems, but we always fuck up so badly that we end up trying to liberate and help a country that doesn't even want us there anymore. And with the state of our economy, we should focus less on trying to end a 1,000 year old Muslim feud and trying to fix our own damn problems.

Also
my quote was from a year or 2 after ww2 which almost half the war was
won through the actions of the Marine Corp and the navy so yes, I'd say
the marine corp has a very strong influence on the wellbeing/freedom of
the citizens of the US.

That makes more sense. But you cant say the Marine Corps has a strong influence on the freedom of the US anymore, you can say they did have an influence. Back then the marine corps was necessary, but honestly unless some crazy nation steps right through our brinkmanship policies, there's no way anyone is ever going to assault the US on it's own grounds ever again.

I mean look at Canada, I don't even think they have an army, and they're doing fine, probably better than us.

Wacco



"I mean look at Canada, I don't even think they have an army, and they're doing fine, probably better than us."

Worst argument I've ever heard. Sure, they're doing fine because nobody cares about them. What's one of the most important nations on the planet economically and politically? The U.S. Who isn't as important? Canada. Who does everybody hate? America. Who does nobody care about? Canada.

Anyway. Back on topic again. Just saw Crash Kings, Rise Against, and Weezer. I love Bumbershoot.

Duck

Duck

Worst argument I've ever heard. Sure, they're doing fine because nobody
cares about them. What's one of the most important nations on the planet
economically and politically? The U.S. Who isn't as important? Canada.
Who does everybody hate? America. Who does nobody care about? Canada.

The reason WHY everybody hates America is because of things we do like the Iraq war. Thus my reasoning of "hey, Canada seems to be doing all right without throwing hundreds of thousands of troops into unsolvable and money wasting situations, maybe we should try that too".

Erkeric

Erkeric

So we are bad because we try to help a country after taking out a dictator who was a security issue for the US and destroying their army and most of its infrastructure? If we had been hit by WMDs that Saddam may or may not have had, people would bitch. If we had taken out Saddam and left, people would bitch when another dictator rose to power. But because we took out Saddam and rebuilt their infrastructure and implemented a government that is proven to work we are so horrible.

Duck

Duck

So we are bad because we try to help a country after taking out a
dictator who was a security issue for the US and destroying their army
and most of its infrastructure? If we had been hit by WMDs that Saddam
may or may not have had, people would bitch. If we had taken out Saddam
and left, people would bitch when another dictator rose to power. But
because we took out Saddam and rebuilt their infrastructure and
implemented a government that is proven to work we are so horrible.

Bud, the Shiites and the Sunni have been fighting for thousands of years. They have certain values, and the more crazy ones are not gonna let them go. In a nation like Iraq where there has seemed to be an endless zombie like rampage of Islamic American-hating insurgents, how long do you think an American glorifying government is going to last without us constantly looking over their shoulder? We, the most powerful nation in the world, have already spent a trillion dollars and 5,000 lives trying to defend it. How in the hell is a third world country like Iraq going to carry that torch after we're gone?

It would be great if we could get Iraq to shape up and be a modern civilized nation like Britain or France so we could all hold hands and sing happy equal rights songs, but it's really unlikely it's gonna happen. That's why I say we should've left after we had secured our own safety, because by "doing the right thing" over there, we're pretty much attempting the impossible. I will admit that thanks to the brave efforts of our military forces, we're not doing half bad at doing the impossible, but I just can't see it lasting.

Guest


Guest

This topic needs more rock, and less bullshit.

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THIS CONQUEROR WORM IS GOD
THIS CONQUEROR WORM IS GOD

Erkeric

Erkeric

It might not last but its worth a try. Just taking out a dictatorship and bouncing like your saying we should have done would have just made it worse. The main part of it is that we are giving them a chance to stop their disagreement. The reason they have been fighting for so long is because they havent had a chance to get along. They just keep fighting but now we have given them a chance.

Another part of it is right after the invasion before we started building their government back up, there was looting across the country. Had we left it like that the conflict would have gotten worse but since we trained their police force like we have been, they actually have a chance to provide safety for their own citizens.

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Dropped Da Soap

Dropped Da Soap

Any of you guys listened to Lordi?
They aren't the greatest band, but I sure damn like em.

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Duck

Duck

Sounds like a combination of Nightwish, Disturbed, and Iron Maiden. Also their outfits look like some kind of demonic twist on glam rock.

Dropped Da Soap

Dropped Da Soap

Rock Music Appreciation Thread Icon_eek Rock Music Appreciation Thread Icon_eek You listen to Nightwish?!?

I have been listening to them since 99. One of my top 5 favorite bands, of all
time.

But also aside from what you said. What do you think of them? Lordi I mean...

Guest


Guest

The Replacements - Bastards of Young

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fl9KQ1Mub6Q&ob=av3e

Embedding disabled by stupid record company who doesn't understand that embedding helps sell albums...

The ones who love us best
Are the ones we lay to rest
Visit their graves on holidays at best
The ones who love us least
Are the ones we'll die to please
If it's any consolation, I don't begin to understand them...

WE ARE THE SONS OF NO ONE
BASTARDS OF YOUNG

Metalzoic

Metalzoic

What about Bingle-Cram? Anyone like that?

Guest


Guest

No.

That shit is for the creeps.

Guest


Guest

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It is time for the creepy puppet.

Guest


Guest

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Duck

Duck

This is where its at!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbcuR0qKCjM

Can't say much about Lordi. I had my Nightwish phase, I liked them a lot but not as much anymore. I still love I Wish I Had an Angel and The Islander. Now I like Van Halen and Megadeth more. But I can tell I would've liked Lordi back then.

Also, anyone else like the Diablo Swing Orchestra?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osTu38yuuHo

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