Homefront has a VIP-like code

Apparently without this code, which comes in a new copy, you still have access to all the maps, but you cannot rank up past level 5.

They'll probably have the code for sale for 800 - 1200 MSP, but look at this vid!
Right now it costs 4 billion MS points!

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Yeah THQ has been doing the same thing as EA.

Smart move for them to try to put a dent in lost rental, used and pirated revenue though.

I think I prefer this "no ranking" system to BC2's no access to all levels thing.

Eh i guess it's ok if they really have to do it.

It might just be a glitch. Maybe it just says 4 billion where it will only actually charge you 800 or 1200 or something. But I doubt it would actually charge you the 4 billion....if you had that much....

People are guessing it's so nobody tries to by it before it actually goes live on the 15th.

I don't mind this code system. It takes a whopping 3 minutes of my time and I never have to think about it again. I don't rent and I don't pirate games I plan on playing online (I don't pirate anything on the 360 at all. Too much of a pain in the ass.)

Everyones rightfully after the used game market. Gamestop and stupid consumers did this to us.

I want to watch people spray the ACR...

Does it have recoil? Does it not? Who knows?!

It just might be different from the CoD laserbeam.

The policy would bug me if I had gamefly or something, but since I useually buy my games new it really doesn't effect me much. It is rediculous though. You cant tell me that game companies don't make a shit ton of money even considering those lost sales.

I like the way they are doing ther code system. If you rent you can still play the mp and gain some ranks that way you will at least know if you want to buy the game.


I am all for games using these codes myself. I buy my games new for the most part and I understand why a company would want consumers to buy theur games new versus used so whatevs.

I think it's bullshit.

Well think of it if it was money you where loosing due to something you created.


Pot. You create some awesome strain that everyone wants and they come to you. Your making good money. THen someone plants your seeds grows his own crop and they all go to him instead. You would find a way to retap into the market and gain more profits.

DRGN LRD 1213 wrote:Well think of it if it was money you where loosing due to something you created.


Pot. You create some awesome strain that everyone wants and they come to you. Your making good money. THen someone plants your seeds grows his own crop and they all go to him instead. You would find a way to retap into the market and gain more profits.

Bad example. Nature belongs to Earth's inhabitants.

Well replace it with a book you wrote, song you recorded, whatever you want. If you create something and people want to buy it then you are going to want the money for that product, not let some other person or company get the money for your product.

DRGN LRD 1213 wrote:Well replace it with a book you wrote, song you recorded, whatever you want. If you create something and people want to buy it then you are going to want the money for that product, not let some other person or company get the money for your product.

You miss my point. I get the logic.

I just don't care for it. It's bullshit.

Either release a full game for everyone or don't fucking release it at all.

In the end, make a good game that won't end up be re-sold as used, and you won't have to worry about lost profits.

Why should the used game buyers get the short end? Their money's still circulating in the game market.

High Greg wrote:In the end, make a good game that won't end up be re-sold as used, and you won't have to worry about lost profits.

Why should the used game buyers get the short end? Their money's still circulating in the game market.

I agree with him the thing is, the game has already been bought new why do they need more money from the same copy?

chunckylover53 wrote:

High Greg wrote:In the end, make a good game that won't end up be re-sold as used, and you won't have to worry about lost profits.

Why should the used game buyers get the short end? Their money's still circulating in the game market.

I agree with him the thing is, the game has already been bought new why do they need more money from the same copy?

Because if someone buys that same copy used, that's one NEW copy that doesn't get bought. The money spent on the used copy goes to *insert video game retailer here* and the developer/publisher don't see a dime of the profit.

If you really like a game and want to support it, buy new. I'd rather support the company that made the game than some random store.

Liberty Prime wrote:

chunckylover53 wrote:

High Greg wrote:In the end, make a good game that won't end up be re-sold as used, and you won't have to worry about lost profits.

Why should the used game buyers get the short end? Their money's still circulating in the game market.

I agree with him the thing is, the game has already been bought new why do they need more money from the same copy?

Because if someone buys that same copy used, that's one NEW copy that doesn't get bought. The money spent on the used copy goes to *insert video game retailer here* and the developer/publisher don't see a dime of the profit.

If you really like a game and want to support it, buy new. I'd rather support the company that made the game than some random store.

People sell used stuff all the time though they just need to deal with it. I am sure they're makeing more than enough money.

chunckylover53 wrote:

Liberty Prime wrote:

chunckylover53 wrote:

High Greg wrote:In the end, make a good game that won't end up be re-sold as used, and you won't have to worry about lost profits.

Why should the used game buyers get the short end? Their money's still circulating in the game market.

I agree with him the thing is, the game has already been bought new why do they need more money from the same copy?

Because if someone buys that same copy used, that's one NEW copy that doesn't get bought. The money spent on the used copy goes to *insert video game retailer here* and the developer/publisher don't see a dime of the profit.

If you really like a game and want to support it, buy new. I'd rather support the company that made the game than some random store.

People sell used stuff all the time though they just need to deal with it. I am sure they're makeing more than enough money.

I'm sure you'd have the same opinion if you were in the game development industry.

Liberty Prime wrote:

chunckylover53 wrote:

Liberty Prime wrote:

chunckylover53 wrote:

High Greg wrote:In the end, make a good game that won't end up be re-sold as used, and you won't have to worry about lost profits.

Why should the used game buyers get the short end? Their money's still circulating in the game market.

I agree with him the thing is, the game has already been bought new why do they need more money from the same copy?

Because if someone buys that same copy used, that's one NEW copy that doesn't get bought. The money spent on the used copy goes to *insert video game retailer here* and the developer/publisher don't see a dime of the profit.

If you really like a game and want to support it, buy new. I'd rather support the company that made the game than some random store.

People sell used stuff all the time though they just need to deal with it. I am sure they're makeing more than enough money.

I'm sure you'd have the same opinion if you were in the game development industry.

I would because i wouldn't be infected with greed.

Still not convinced. Still think it's bullshit.

Buying a game used or not is still supporting an industry as a full.

Yes it supports the gaming industry but it doesn’t support the creator of the product. If the game makers do not see a profit then they are going to start making shoddy product, or no product at all. I support the game passes for new games, and if someone buys a game used and want thwe full online experience then they should shell; out 5 or 10 bucks.

I they don't get any sort of royalty/whatever money when you buy a used copy of their game? That seems kinda of odd.

No they don't see anything from a used game sale but the retailer does. If they want a few extra bucks they should put out DLC. They've been makeing money for years off of games why do they need to do this now?

No Gamestop gets all the profits from selling used games.

Why? Because they can. Plus they are the ones that pay to update any glitches, patch bugs and exploits, pay for dedicated serves so I think its more than just saying put out DLC that they have to spend money on to do so.


I am all for the online passes. Now if the day comes where I have to buy a game new, and ALSO pay for an online pass to play MP then I would be done. THe pass for used copies I am fine with.


Plus the way they set up homefront you can still play online just can;t rank past level 5 till you get a pass. I like this because the renters can try it and if they like it they can get their own copy.

I like that you can buy the codes online, since the boy and I share 1 copy of BC2 and he used the VIP code he got with it, but I was able to buy it from the BC2 store.

Sucks that they don't get any money from the used copies. Maybe they should look into that royalty type thing. So they can get 5 or 10% or something of used game sales. I don't always buy new because I'm a cheap ass. =P

DRGN LRD 1213 wrote:If the game makers do not see a profit then they are going to start making shoddy product,

And the "patch after patch after patch" fad of the last couple of years doesn't strike you as shoddy product?

Meh I was pretty happy with BC2 on launch myself. Seems to me like half the time they patch shit is because of complainers about OP weapons, as well as patching shit people find exploits for and abuse.

sheep wrote:Sucks that they don't get any money from the used copies. Maybe they should look into that royalty type thing.

Best idea I've heard so far.

DRGN LRD 1213 wrote:Meh I was pretty happy with BC2 on launch myself. Seems to me like half the time they patch shit is because of complainers about OP weapons, as well as patching shit people find exploits for and abuse.

Most of the games I've played in the last decade, having enjoyed them or not, have seemed "shoddy" to me to say the least.

There's a reason for game testing.

All I see are companies in a hurry to release products and watch the cash flow in. If that's not shoddy I don't know what is.

I'd rather wait twice as long for a great game than an okay one that's essentially going to kill my time until the next servings of mediocrity.

DRGN LRD 1213 wrote:Why? Because they can. Plus they are the ones that pay to update any glitches, patch bugs and exploits, pay for dedicated serves so I think its more than just saying put out DLC that they have to spend money on to do so.


I am all for the online passes. Now if the day comes where I have to buy a game new, and ALSO pay for an online pass to play MP then I would be done. THe pass for used copies I am fine with.


Plus the way they set up homefront you can still play online just can;t rank past level 5 till you get a pass. I like this because the renters can try it and if they like it they can get their own copy.

It's rare that i buy games used so i never encounter this myself but they can make all their patches/update/whatever with the money they got from people buying their game.

"Because they can" isen't a valid reason.

Aww, thanks Greg!

Sometimes I'm just so damn smart. Haha.

It might jack up the prices for used titles, but even a couple bucks (10 whatever) cheaper than new can help a lot. Those couple bucks add up over time. You could get a game, and a snack!

DRGN LRD 1213 wrote:No Gamestop gets all the profits from selling used games.

Sure, but even gamestop (or any other used games seller for that matter) is part of a chain in an industry.

Your buck is still moving the ball.

chunckylover53 wrote:

DRGN LRD 1213 wrote:Why? Because they can. Plus they are the ones that pay to update any glitches, patch bugs and exploits, pay for dedicated serves so I think its more than just saying put out DLC that they have to spend money on to do so.


I am all for the online passes. Now if the day comes where I have to buy a game new, and ALSO pay for an online pass to play MP then I would be done. THe pass for used copies I am fine with.


Plus the way they set up homefront you can still play online just can;t rank past level 5 till you get a pass. I like this because the renters can try it and if they like it they can get their own copy.

It's rare that i buy games used so i never encounter this myself but they can make all their patches/update/whatever with the money they got from people buying their game.

"Because they can" isen't a valid reason.

But then they really wouldn't be making a profit on their games if it all went right back into patches and DLC and updates or whatever. I used to think 60 bucks a game was outrageous. Then I realized how much goes into make a game. Hell, just look at how long the freaking credits are, that will tell you something.

sheep wrote:Aww, thanks Greg!

Sometimes I'm just so damn smart. Haha.

*smacks sheep*

Don't get cocky!

Ouch! [cries]

But my balls! They are so big and I'm so proud! Wanna see them? [chases Greg... with my balls.... like a boss]

Pfff....

Hermaphrodites...

HA But really..... they can!!!! And everyone will still buy the games. I'm for it obviously and people can all shout I'm not going to buy their games if all the games have this online pass....... but they will. Cod will still sell millions of copies the day it releases even thoough I and the majority of people seem to think its always the same game on the same engine! HAHA I love it because the masses really are like cattle.

DRGN LRD 1213 wrote:I love it because the masses really are like cattle.

There, fixed it for ya.

Not a big fan of VIP codes myself.

I usually always buy new but the thing is there are so many people who have no clue that they even exist so they buy it used and get screwed over.

I think that no code also gives developers more incentive to make a good lasting multiplayer experience.

sheep wrote:

chunckylover53 wrote:

DRGN LRD 1213 wrote:Why? Because they can. Plus they are the ones that pay to update any glitches, patch bugs and exploits, pay for dedicated serves so I think its more than just saying put out DLC that they have to spend money on to do so.


I am all for the online passes. Now if the day comes where I have to buy a game new, and ALSO pay for an online pass to play MP then I would be done. THe pass for used copies I am fine with.


Plus the way they set up homefront you can still play online just can;t rank past level 5 till you get a pass. I like this because the renters can try it and if they like it they can get their own copy.

It's rare that i buy games used so i never encounter this myself but they can make all their patches/update/whatever with the money they got from people buying their game.

"Because they can" isen't a valid reason.

But then they really wouldn't be making a profit on their games if it all went right back into patches and DLC and updates or whatever. I used to think 60 bucks a game was outrageous. Then I realized how much goes into make a game. Hell, just look at how long the freaking credits are, that will tell you something.

No game should ever need a patch. I know that doesn't always happen but it's true like greg said they're getting lazy with the testing. Instead of not wanting to give up a little more cash they should put money aside for problems. THQ and EA have been in business for a loooooong time they have money. As for DLC it's a risk like any product. You put it out and hope they buy it.

Oh man this thread is funny. I love how people are claiming how evil the used market yet most people here pirate. Anyways I honestly think that doing this to the used market just hurts them in the long run. I can understand when the game is first released so they can undercut gamestop but after that as the game gets 1 year or older it just hurts everyone because these companies still want to charge like $40 for their game new and make the online pass $15 so that it is pointless to get the game late in the life cycle. When someone buys a game used it does hurt the publisher but at the same time it spreads popularity for the game and someone actually did buy that copy before. This is why companies want to go with Digital Downloads but they can't get it through their thick head that no one is going to buy the game when it is still $60 and you can't sell it. I guess selling is "bad" for the gaming industry but I mean I do have the right to do it and since most games suck I am glad that it exists.

Chewy I do agree about some folks getting screwed. It would be nice it it was marked clearly somehow that to enjoy the games MP you have to have the code, new copies come with code used will not.


Plus you know that the gamestops and like all have to know about it when they sell the used copies.


HA My company has been in business for a long time but if we stopped chargeing customers rent on cylinders just because they have had the cylinders long enough and have paid enough to have paid for the cylinder we would be belly up! There is so many hidden costs that most people don;t even know about!

At 32, being in many aspects of life as far as consumer, sales, marketing, IT its just how the world turns. People are in business to make money not give out free product. If a company sees an oppurtunity they are going to jump on it!

Again at least one thing Greg and I agree about in this topic, the masses are cattle! HA It's been proven true so many times!

Anyways! Good debate folks! I'm stepping away the comp for awhile m ay be back in a few hours to see if anything new or fresh has been posted!


Cheers!