Any news on the Patch Release for X360?

it will most likely come out when Vietnam is released.

Fr0sT wrote:

T-800 wrote:it will most likely come out when Vietnam is released.

Awwwwwwwwwwwwww thats a bummer...


So, when vietnam is out. We are still going to be able to spot and have the same weapons as now right? Anyone know?

It is rumored to be December and only weapons that were in vietnam will be staying.

The patch actually screwed up a few things on the PC - apparently the lag worsened, tracers on tanks disappeared (no bullet trail and you can't see the main cannon rounds) and the hit detection actually found a way to get worse.


So they'll probably have to fix that before bringing it to consoles.

Man, I'm REALLY excited for this update now JEV. xD

Hey the relined hit boxes is enough to make me excited for it.


The nerfs for broken shit is just icing on the cake.

Well, what I mean is, the patch breaking the game even more, made me shake my head.

Yeah but we aren't going to get it for a while, and because of the way they have to apply updates they always risk screwing things up.

I think I explained that before but whatever. I'm not surprised that the biggest patch had a few errors.

Well, either way, I hope it makes the game playable again, and the fix the bugs in it before it comes out. If they do, I might actually play every once and awhile. But as of now, the game is buggier than Lousiana hooker, and I'm not even going to think about playing it.

What's funny is that you're so willing to jump-ship to Black Ops.



LIKE THAT'S GOING TO BE ANY BETTER. The game is already launching to a new care package glitch. Have fun.


Also contemplate life while you spend $60 on a game with no sequel innovation. It's MW2 without stopping power or shotgun secondaries and weaker explosives.


So worth $60 mirite

Nobody has any idea as to how good it will be, and I'm not suprised there is yet another care package glitch. However, Treyarch is well-known for actually patching and fixing things (like when WaW came out, you could get under the map and kill people, those were fixed quickly, and whenever a new one would resurface, the would fix that one). Lol, at it's nothing like MW2 so far, from what I have seen. Weapons actually have recoil, and the killstreaks are balanced. I judge from experience and knowledge. BC2 is buggy. I'm not criticizing the game, but it is. When I throw C4 on something, and it doesn't detonate, that pisses me off. When you shoot people in the face and they bleed, but take 0 damage and knife you, that REALLY pisses me off. There's tons of shit like that, and the game is ridiculously unbalanced and unfun to play as of now. If the patch fixes it, I will be glad to come back and play it. I'm not happy with DICE taking it's sweet time to patch it, but it's better late than never.

I already know how good it's going to be because I played CoD4. Which was a good indication of WaW, and now MW2 is going to be a good indication of Black Ops. Because they look like the same game, except instead of sequel innovation they're taking out a lot of game features.

I wouldn't be surprised if they put that on the box - 'The SAME Call of Duty game, this time with no Stopping Power!'.

CoD is one of the only game series that gets away with absolutely no reinvention whatsoever. Yet people have no problem eating it up year in year out just because they expect the next one to be better.

And yet it never is. We've been on a downhill slide since CoD4, which was the only new game. I'm pretty sure that's a good indication that we won't have another good one until we see some actual changes to the game engine or game play.


As for BC2 I still enjoy the game in spite of those issues. Even when I'm doing well in a Call of Duty game I'm still bored.

And they only end up with map errors because they're so sloppy when it comes to coding. It's an engine with no cooking that you've been using for 7 years - how the fuck could you possibly screw anything up?

And they'll never re-balance a gun or tone down an explosive's splash damage.

JDM_Jev wrote:I already know how good it's going to be because I played CoD4. Which was a good indication of WaW, and now MW2 is going to be a good indication of Black Ops. Because they look like the same game, except instead of sequel innovation they're taking out a lot of game features.

I wouldn't be surprised if they put that on the box - 'The SAME Call of Duty game, this time with no Stopping Power!'.

CoD is one of the only game series that gets away with absolutely no reinvention whatsoever. Yet people have no problem eating it up year in year out just because they expect the next one to be better.

And yet it never is. We've been on a downhill slide since CoD4, which was the only new game. I'm pretty sure that's a good indication that we won't have another good one until we see some actual changes to the game engine or game play.

With that logic, Fallout NV is worthless because it copies FO:3, but is better. All Final Fantasys other than the very first one are pieces of shit. Any game that comes after the first is bad.

Call of Duty doesn't change that much after 4, because there's not too many problems with 4. WaW was a very good game, minus the hitboxes and MP40. The only reason people bashed on it, was because it went back to WWII; however, it was a very solid game, and it was probably my favourite WWII game I've played, because of how well it worked out, how solid the controls were, and everything else. In WaW things were actually fixed, unlike CoD4; when glitches occured, Treyarch repaired them. I would go as far to say that WaW was a much better game than CoD4 in some rights.

MW2 was just a bump in the road. They tried to include too many new things at once, and it didn't work out, not to mention the game felt rushed, and IW NEVER patched problems.

This game isn't MW2 without Stopping Power. I've watched it since the VERY DAY it was announced. Treyarch has gone way out of it's way to bring balance back to the game. Guns aren't insta-kill, no skill weapons anymore, there's recoil, they added fun new gamemodes, like Wager Matches and ACTUALLY are including Barebones upon release, which is something IW promised back in the days of CoD4, but lied and never brought it. Zombies has been improved significantly, as a fun, alternate gamemode. They've added a seperate place for new players to learn the controls and how to play, so I don't have to worry (as much) about new players going 0-20 on my team. Killstreaks don't add to killstreaks, meaning it won't just be a camp and K/D boostfest like MW2,CoD4, and WaW by using killstreaks. They're doing everything in their power to try to revive the game, and I can see it. If they fail and I don't like, so be it. I'll criticize the game until my face turns blue, but I'll actually use intelligent arguments to prove my point, instead of just spewing words around.

I can name many more flaws about BC2, game-breaking, or just completely frustrating, than I can about any CoD I've played, maybe even MW2. I'm usually pretty nice about it, and I've decided to give them a chance when they're patch comes out. But until then, I'm not afraid to admit that the game is a broken, pile of shit as of now, until they fix it.

You're acting as though any of those 'additions' actually improves the game play.


Recoil looks like its going back to the CoD4 level which still wasn't enough. Breaking down the game and simplifying it doesn't exactly make it a must-buy for me.

The only reason I'd even consider this game is because I'd like to see it without Stopping Power, then again I wanted that 3 years ago. It's certainly been a long time coming for any sort of re-working to the game, even if it's just cut-and-paste.

As for Bare Bones in CoD4 yeah they bailed on that idea, same with the other play lists and shit because their play testers didn't really respond well to them. I would have preferred Bare Bones to fucking Hardcore Headquarters though.

The only thing they full-out bailed on was the second map pack. I'm pretty sure your MW2 goggles are making you hate IW, remember they gave us the only 3 games in the series that were actually good.

As for Wager Matches and all the other gimmick shit like CoD points I honestly don't give a shit.

And IW stopped patching MW2 because the studio fucking fell apart remember. They're still the only CoD dev to actually re-work guns - they added idle sway to the M4 Carbine after the CoD4 beta because it was overpowered without it, and then they nerfed the Models though that was a tad excessive.

In WaW Treyarch never touched anything apart from level geometry issues that shouldn't have even been there in the first place. yea they care more about the community man dog gg

IW has never been good at customer support. There are STILL glitches in CoD4 that are not fixed.

Treyarch only had to fix level geometry issues, because other than SMG's there wasn't really any other problem with their game. They also removed the ability to deploy your bipod on the ground because people would use the infinite ammo glitch with it, or keep recreating bipods until the game lagged out. The only patch IW ever introduced actually ruined the game, and that was the severe nerf of semi-autos to fire at only roughly 400 RPM to supposedly help against modded controllers, when all it did, was harm people with an actual good trigger finger, and help players that were cheating.

IW never fixed any problems but infinite claymores, and the care package glitch (running and repeated care packages), and left the game broken, even when they had plenty of time. Also, MW2 was so broken in the first place, it was unfixable.

CoD4's recoil was perfectly fine. It's not supposed to be realistic, it's supposed to be an arcade-type shooter. Recoil is only added to add a sense of realism, but is more for balance than it is anything.

I love how you seem to worship BC2, like it is flawless. I'm sure flying in circles in a chopper to boost your stats is definitely a fair, and non-broken way to play too, right?

Also, killstreaks not adding to killstreaks is definitely a change for the better.

Yeah but infinite ammo was never even a problem. Instead of fixing the deployed LMG clone glitch, they just took out the option to use them in prone. That's just laziness pure and simple.

Oh and there's still un patched problems in WaW too. I'm not even going to specify maps - the DLC randomly has to be re-downloaded because it just decides to delete itself from your hard drive. Which, considering you can't search multi-player without getting booted every time a map pack map comes up - is a bigger issue.


I'm just asking you why you seem to hop on the CoD bandwagon every year. It just sets yourself up for a bigger disappointment each time.

Also do you really think that Treyarch's idea of fixing mods was any better in WaW? If you could spam higher than 500 RPM the game would mod-block you. Seriously, that's retarded.

Patch 1.40 was the final nail in the coffin for CoD4 though, never really liked it much after that. But that was around the time that MW2 came out so IW was pretty stupid.

Also nice to see you can have an argument without personal attacks - oh wait.


I like BC2 because it's a completely different game from BC1. That's how all game sequels should be, an actual new game. My biggest issues with it is the fact that the Frostbite engine wasn't mastered by the time the game came out, but then again if you're going to argue that it's rushed just look at every CoD game and how sloppy they've been on release.

I don't jump on the bandwagon. MW2, I was really iffy about when I bought it, and frankly, it pissed me off to the point that I sold it. I wanted to smash that game into little pieces. I've watched this games development, and I have a good feeling about it, much like going from playing Melee to Brawl.

Yeah, the DLC shit is annoying, but it's happened to me what, once?

Treyarchs mod block was annoying, but it only happened after you fired past 1,200 RPM a certain number of times. Was I mod blocked on occasion? Yes, but you have to be REALLY spamming it, and there's no reason to spam it that much in the first place. Better than setting the cap so I fire like a Down's Syndrome child in BC2, no matter what semi-auto I pick.

Yeah, BC2 is completely different from BC1, but not in a good way. I rented the original BC, and I enjoyed it the entire time I played. I thought it was hilarious, fun maps, felt balanced. This game, feels so broken, unbalanced, with poor design, that it's not even funny. I can probably name 20-30 flaws with this game, just off the top of my head, and I took the time to think about it, maybe 50-100. I can maybe think of 20 maximum for each CoD that isn't MW2.

No, you're getting defensive, because you know that even you exploit things in BC2 that are cheap as hell.

Right, because any dumb ass can own in a chopper.

And when you're bitching about problems you're only whining about things not-working as intended or if they're overpowered.


What about shotguns in Call of Duty games? Why can they never be useful; they're always broken or underpowered. Same with semi-auto rifles. It's a game without innovation.

Yeah, BC2 has its issues but it took the plunge and actually made a new experience, which is something I actually enjoy. CoD can't really fuck anything up if they repackage the same game with a few new perks/guns/maps every year simply because that's not exactly a risky style of game development. At all.


And the DLC issues happen to me every time I play WaW. Along with 4 other people on my FL.

So:

Crate-bashing with C4 is fine?

Crate-bashing with AT mines is fine?

People that do nothing but search Atacama Desert and chopper whore and then brag they are so good are right? Especially compared to people who don't use vehicles?

Vehicles not having ammo isn't a problem?

Medics always getting Ace Pin isn't a problem?

The AN-94, M416, M16, M60 are all really balanced right?

Hit detection is always spot on? Shooting people and they don't take damage is something that should always happen?

Attack choppers that are nigh impossible to take down if the pilot has an IQ over their shoe size is also balanced?

Tank sniping every objective on Arica Harbour is fair?

Conquest is nothing but spawn camping, really good game mode right?

Shotguns are completely OP with slugs, and can outsnipe BA rifles with the slightest of effort...though they're mean for CQC, that's cool too?

Buckshot is either completely worthless, or works really well, depending on luck.

Putting up with laggy servers was awesome wasn't it?

Good thing the knife works fine too, I love knifing somebody 3+ time, only to have them turn around and shoot me.

Dogtags that are made to personally humiliate somebody for playing the game, nice one DICE.

The Tank MG is like a sniper rifle, and the gunner isn't at risk, so they can rack up kills from a mile away, safe from everything. Get damaged? Just repair it.

The CG is more effective than any BA rifle in the game. Shoot from any distance, hit within 20 feet, and they're dead. Glad that's fair, especially when it can kill multiple people and has 7 shots with an upgrade.

Assaults don't get paid jackshit to resupply and kill, but a Medic can throw down a couple medkits, and get over 3,400 points (I've gotten a 4,000+ point chain as a medic before with 2 revives)

Revive griefing is always cool too right?

I can go on, and on, and on.

Most of what you listed was personal hangups and stuff about asshole players.....Can't blame the game for people being dicks.

the funny part is that most things on that list are getting patched.


Enjoy your broken game on Call of Duty. Which never gets fixed and is always the same with every subsequent release.

Yeah, look, they're finally patching it about a year after the game came out, about time. And it has nothing to do with people being dicks, that's a problem with the game.

As I said, we'll see. If it's bad, I'll criticize it just as harshly as I criticize any game. MW2 and BC2 are pieces of shit, BC2 at least until they fix it, if they ever do, and not forget about it and just go to Vietnam.

Lol, CoD being the same old story with every release. You must play CoD for 10 minutes, and quit.

lol no.


It really is the same game, repackaged with a fresh coat of paint. Try not to be so ignorant.

It is, but if something ain't broke, don't fix it. At least it's not as repetitive as the Mario, Zelda, and Metroid series (same EXACT story almost, same EXACT bosses, over and over and over again), and I don't hear anybody complaining abou those. You just don't like CoD, because you just don't like it. I don't like BC2, because after 330 hours or so, I can't tolerate it anymore. I have over 20 days on CoD4, 15-20 on WaW, and probably 5-6 on MW2, and I never really got bored of CoD4 or WaW, because they were good games; I quit WaW because I got tired of the MP40 + Juggernaut combo. I quit BC2, because there were WAY too many problems with the game, and the scoring system as to how good somebody did, was created by somebody more fucked up in the head than a child molester. One guy does 1 second of work, 400 points. This other guy does 5 minutes of work, 200 points.

sorry kitsune that list was weak. Most of that shit NEVER HAPPENS. When have you seen someone snipe every Mcom on Arica? I have almost 300 hours on this game and I have seen it once, and THAT guy failed on the last base.

AR's arent as OP as you all seem to bitch about. "Oh no, there is a class that is good at all ranges!" so what, that is all the class is good for.

Don't knife if you hate it, and since you seem to think its done just to humiliate people then why are you doing it?

I'm willing to bet my SPM is higher with assault or engie, compared to medic. if not simply becasue randoms run away from heal kits. oh, and 4000 points in one chain!? that is an insane amount and I feel like it is exagerrated.

There are lots of problems with BC2, I'm not pretending there isn't, but you blow shit out of proportion.

I see people tank snipe every objective, every time, on Arica all the time (except for the one in the garage obviously).

LOL! Yes, they are. Why is that even somebody like me can get 25-2, 26-1, 43-6 games, 20-5 games with the AEK even? It's OP as hell. I used the AN-94 once, and went 42-2 on Nelson Bay, without even trying, and I never selected it again because of how ridiculous it is.

No offense, but that's a stupid argument. The problem with the knife shouldn't be there in the first place; that's like saying "don't shoot people if you hate it, because they don't always take damage", it shouldn't be that glitchy in the first place. I often do it, because people try to do it to me, so I do it for my sweet vengeance, and hatred towards them.

Yes, I have gotten a 4000+ medic chain once on Nelson Bay, several 3,000+ on many maps, and many, many 2000+ chains, most on White Pass, it's ridiculous.

I don't like starting these arguments, but when people start saying everything I like is shit, I tend to do the same back, then people wonder why I have such a bad temper.

Wow, you're going to compare sequel innovation to something like Metroid?


There's 2D games, FPA games and Other: M.

In Mario in goes from 2D plat-formers to N64 3D to whatever the hell you'd call Super Mario Galaxy.

In Zelda it goes from top-down, side-scroller in Zelda 2 and the 3D ones. Seriously?

Now compare that to Call of Duty. Kill yourself for whining about sequel innovation in games that are 10-15 years old.

No, I'm trying to make a point. There's no "innovation" with Nintendo games these days. It's the SAME fucking game, over and over again. Literally. The same plot, the same story, the same EXACT characters. There is no imagination or anything.

Zealotry is not a good thing.... I <3 BC2 and the CoD series.

Have you thought about liking stuff that doesn't suck?

As for Fr0st's question. I think the patch will be added on the new map pack.

Starcraft is a good game that's actually, you know, not broken. Call of Duty is better than BC2. Thinking likewise has done nothing but proving yourself to be a moron. Defending a game as broken and awful as BC2 is terrible.

Mario Galxy 1 and 2 are the exact same minus yoshi. I still enjoyed both though.

Kitsune if you don't like these arguements why do you troll the BC2 boards here? the only reason you come here is to bash on how you hate the game. I call that trolling. So sorry that you have to fight this same fight all the time, and I'm sure GM, Jev, and I aren't helping, but why not just lay off? cause it's going to happen every time you do it.

Wow, people need to stop throwing their opinions around like they're FACT. It makes you look like an arrogant douche bag. Jesus christ.

Really? All I see is more innovation with Nintendo franchises than Call of Duty games.


Story-wise of course they're similar. Better than Call of Duty where you start out as a private and SAVE THE FUCKING WORLD BECAUSE YOU ARE US MARINE.

Because people start with me first Terry. I'm merely a defender. If they would stop their bullshit, I'll stop mine.

Kitsune no Kaji wrote:Starcraft is a good game that's actually, you know, not broken. Call of Duty is better than BC2. Thinking likewise has done nothing but proving yourself to be a moron. Defending a game as broken and awful as BC2 is terrible.

This is rediculous. you need to take a chill pill.

Que? Broken as in glitches or Broken as in people bitching about "Like Oh my gawd the Terran/Zerg/Protoss are like so brokens" cause I hear allot of that then......And alot now.

And yes, for the Call of Duty story, and every other JEV, I hate all of them, as far as that goes. I want to see an original story for once.

TheGM86 wrote:Que? Broken as in glitches or Broken as in people bitching about "Like Oh my gawd the Terran/Zerg/Protoss are like so brokens" cause I hear allot of that then......And alot now.

That's because they're retarded and don't know what they're talking about.

The W/L ratio is 50% for everything except for PvZ, and that's 52%, and Blizzard is patching it, because that much is considered imbalanced.

Kitsune no Kaji wrote:Because people start with me first Terry. I'm merely a defender. If they would stop their bullshit, I'll stop mine.

I disagree you started in about how excited you were about the patch, which BTW I am really excited for (really), and continued on with your "list" of problems BC2 has. YOU sir started this.

No, I said the game was terribly buggy, and Jev stated that Black Ops was shit, so I merely stabbed back. I'm going to continue stabbing until the opposing force backs down.

You.... You just admitted you started it.

You're attacking people for having an alternative opinion. You're so fucking arrogant you assert your opinions as fact, and take it as a personal attack if someone disagrees. Grow. Up.

Can we see less strawman arguments, as well?

The majority of your problems with BC2 can be attributed to LAG (which is noticeable and pisses me off regularly), your own weird, arbitrary vision of balance, and people being dick bags.

ARs are not overpowered. Tanks are laughably underpowered (seriously, all it takes is one intelligent engineer to ruin your shit, two if you have someone repairing you). Perhaps the reason you can post good scores is because you're a good player, not because your weapons are "overpowered?"

ante87 wrote:You.... You just admitted you started it.

No, I began a counter-argument to back up my position.

It is a personal attack to argue against somebody, and insult anything that they like without an intellectual argument to back it up. No, there are TONS of things wrong with BC2; love/hate the game, they are still there. Most of those problems aren't lag; it's poorly/lazily programmed designs. As I've said before, if something is wrong with a game, I'll say what it is; if Black Ops sucks a huge dick, look forward to me calling that game a piece of shit too, because I will. I'm not overly partial to something, but I WILL defend something that I like if somebody insults it.

No, if I can get a score like that with a weapon, anybody can, and should do better. ARs are ridiculously easy to use and OP, just like the shotguns+slugs; hence why I used them for so long, because I could actually do something when it was lagging really badly for me. I've had a perfect connection, and experienced plenty of these issues. Turning your head and pretending that they don't exist does not mean they don't. Is it an opinion that I say the knife is a piece of shit? NO! It IS a piece of shit. Everybody will agree with you on that. I can get statistical data to prove that some of the things are OP too.

What I'm trying to say is; the game IS broken. I am excited a patch is coming out to fix it, so it might actually be playable again. I wasn't insulting in the first place, but JEV decided it would be a fantastic idea to troll my game and here we are now.

I wasn't trolling because I was right.


Call of Duty just sucks. It's casual as hell and the equivalent of a roster-update sports game that they drop on us every year.

And as I've proved, I can think of many more reasons why BC2 sucks. They're both equally casual, and take just as little skill, so that argument for either side fails, because no FPS game takes skill anymore. They've all been toned down so ANYBODY can play them, for better/worse. I both love and hate it. It's nice to see somebody be able to jump on, and learn how to play fairly quickly, and even if they're not awesome, they can still have fun. It also really pisses me off to die to said people, who don't deserve a lucky kill. #1 reason why I hate BF games is because of vehicles. You can be a complete idiot and get AT LEAST 3 kills before you die.

Yeah, except for the fact that a complete idiot will crash a chopper seconds after he takes off, tanks actually take skill to aim at and kill infantry so no, and the light vehicles... well yeah, bombs on wheels.